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Date: 2/3/2009 10:09:11 PM
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There could be a 2-3 way tie for the last 3 spots in my league this season. How will the winners be calculated?

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71365.3 in reply to 71365.2
Date: 2/5/2009 6:40:54 PM
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So if two teams are tied for the last playoff spot and team A has defeated team B both times during the regular season, but team A's point differential is -1 compared to team B, he loses position?

Just my opinion, but this is something that should be addressed. Not a logical outcome.

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71365.4 in reply to 71365.3
Date: 2/5/2009 7:21:45 PM
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Logical outcome - in lower divisions teams change quickly so it is probable that those two teams weren't the same in both occasions. Most importantly enthusiasm management takes place too, so team with better record including score should be revarded not the one who just won a crucial game possibly by accident.

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71365.5 in reply to 71365.4
Date: 2/5/2009 7:26:36 PM
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Understand, but respectfully disagree. Not logical to beat a team twice, have same record and lose tie breaker. everything else shouldn't matter. It's a head to head game, so logic dictates that head to head should be the tie breaker. Just for what its worth.

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71365.6 in reply to 71365.5
Date: 2/5/2009 7:38:00 PM
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On the other hand (except situation where you already know that you have to beat that team) you can influence your score much easier than outcome of one game, especially a close game (the other one was played among first 8 matches of the season so you usually can't tell for sure who is your nemesis). So better score usually means better team. Of course there could be pairs of teams where one can't find a way to beat the other albeut they are of the same strength otherwise - then it would more argueable.

No big deal imho, it is a matter of getting used to.

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71365.7 in reply to 71365.5
Date: 2/6/2009 3:05:57 AM
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Not logical to beat a team twice, have same record and lose tie breaker. everything else shouldn't matter. It's a head to head game, so logic dictates that head to head should be the tie breaker.

How would you deal with a three-way tie?

Team A beats team B.
Team B beats team C.
Team C beats team A.

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71365.8 in reply to 71365.7
Date: 2/6/2009 4:45:31 AM
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As a tie, in which case you go to points defferencial (in these 3 matches).

I agree that ignoring the head to head score is not too logical.

Even if you decide that points difference should be considered the main parameter, surely, the head to head score should be more important than the total ammount of points you have, (which depends not only on your quality but on your tactical preferences).

Still, I understand that according to the current parameters, calculations are much easier, and the needed algorithm is much simpler, and since currently, in most cases there is no falsification, the change of parameters is not too necessary, or urgent

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71365.9 in reply to 71365.8
Date: 2/6/2009 5:37:42 AM
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As a tie, in which case you go to points defferencial (in these 3 matches).

I agree that ignoring the head to head score is not too logical.

And the "easy and logical" system just got one step more complex than the current one. This is really not criticism of what you guys are suggesting (although I know it sounds exactly so). I tend to agree that the head-to-head result is important. At the same time, the system should be kept as simple as possible. From the staff point of view, this is somewhat of a concern for me. In real life, we have commentators and journalists to tell everyone who wins a tie. In BB, everyone needs to figure it out themselves based on the rules and based on what they see, and in the end this leads to many many questions on the forums.

Of course, the head-to-head result is never ignored. It's part of the point difference calculation and clearly gives an advantage to the team that won both games (in case of two-way tie). I have no clear opinion whether that's good enough.

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71365.11 in reply to 71365.10
Date: 2/6/2009 6:33:17 AM
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The arguing was about tiebrakers within a conference I think it was crystally clear.