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maybe already suggested, but I read over so many thread titles that I actually forgot what my own suggestion was, and I didn't find it...

(after at least 5 minutes of hard thinking I wasn't lucky enough to be able to remember my suggestion... then after opening a second browser and reopening my last visited pages, I remembered...)

so here it goes:

Alter the effect of TV games.
It is somethimes hard that there is either much, or less time between the TV games, expecially if you are in situations where you can't real win, and have to wait long for the next, or can win easely, but then 1 week later have the other where you loose...

I'm not suggesting to change this! It has it's charms.

But what I noticed is that the result of the game is prety important. It doesn't matter much where you win or loose, or how. If you win, you are about sure of 4 balls or more in your fan survey, while a loss means 2 balls or less.

I waited long enough to make sure it is no coincidence. And now that I am prety convinced it works that way, I'd like to ask to alter the formula, so that even if you loose, your fans can still think you didn a good job.

My last TV game for instance was an away game which I lost by 2 points, missing my own shot at the buzzer.
I think this easely qualifies for a 'loosing nail biter on the road', still my fans only give me 1,5 or 2 balls for the game.
The rules say otherwise.

I know fans moods can change, and the survey is for a small group, but at this stage, with the info I have, I think the win or loss factor is just to big, and other things like: was the other team much weaker, or better, was it at home, did I win big or was it a nail biter... these extra factors should get more weight...

It's totally unfair that fans should say you performed bad if you loose by 2 points in an away game against a team you have hard times beating on the road. The performance was good, the show was good, it was exciting, yes we lost, but to say they performed bad... 2 balls, com'on, it desrves an average 3 balls...no? ;)

Just the same I wouldn't mind getting only 3 balls if we win at home against a team we should not loose from. Which now often gives 4 or even 5 balls...

So you mean to give them a "reasonable" thinking, but in my opinion that shouldn't be fans about.

For example I lost few games at the start of this season (even against rival and TV game) and according to my fan survey, I never sucked like that before. But thats the way it should be.

I'm expecting from my fans to celebrate extraordinary wins like it would be the last thing they will experience in their life. And also I'm expecting that they will hate me just for a few games, because if not, they would be just cold reasonable spectators and this is not what I want.

I'm expecting from my fans to celebrate extraordinary wins like it would be the last thing they will experience in their life.

if i'm correct that was exactly what I was saying...

But mostly (actually always) when I am talking about something, I am talking for more then a few teams, I'm talking for the majority of teams, while it might apear otherwise because I use my own team to give examples often. The reason I use my team is because I don't have to lie then, and I know the example I give is a real one.

In this case I am taking an other team for a change now. In my example I will use a team which is struggling in his league.
now, if this team pulls off a 2 point loss on the road against an other team in his division, why should he be punished for this great effort?? I also think that fans of a struggling team will still be satisfied with the result, even if they lost, since it is hopefull for the future what this performance has shown... They will have expected a loss anyway, and possibly are glad they have seen a good performance and a close game.

maybe he also talk for more then one team ;)

I see your point, but somekinds small loses are more frustrating then clear one, and in normal life the succesfull teams have more fans here they have the same ammount of fan but the smaller fan base was simulated through worse surveys which affects smaller amount of visitors. So if you give an struggling team, credits for loosing it will be sometimes better for your income to count as a weak team.

In my eyes, Tv games shouldn't be that impotant(especially with this silly schedule), even the last game too - and the overall season performance should be much more important.

Edit: i am not totaly against it, but i dislike the change only for tv games they should make it for rivaly and last game to or none of it - because a smaller different betwenn succesful and unsuccesfull team sound good for me even a better possibility to plan your visitor income.

Last edited by CrazyEye at 3/12/2009 11:56:41 AM

indeed, for rival games it should be the same, however, your rival is mostly one which is a team that is compareable to yours (if I understood the rivalry thing well enough) while for TV games a lesser team can play a much much stronger one, and it isn't logical to me that the fans of the small team are not exited to see their team lose by just 2 points against the gigger team.

Moreover, I was totaly inspired by the rules (at the time I translated them) which say "win big, or loose a nailbiter on the road" , which made me think it would have the same effect on the fans, which obviously is not the case now...

rivality is also much random, this only works a little bit if you for a long tme in a league, and in this case you should worked to make the gap small.

But if you against tv matches and their randomness, i would say the schedule is much more bad random. It gives gameplans, where you have "only" 2 home tv matches, and schedules where you don't have an home tv match -> and i don't counted it now but i would say 25% of all teams has such schedule(i got those 3-4 times in my career, and there was a break where they forbid tv games on the last game day).

I agree! Look at the Cleveland Cavs right now, you think their fan support wains after a loss on the road? Perhaps, but do half the fans stop watching? No. I think if you're traditionally a poor team and you lose a close game on the road to a much stronger team, that should increase fan support.

Some poor guy in my league is getting creamed so far and he still has to play me twice on TV this year. If he gets within 10 points, his fans should be happier.

Does the formula currently factor in relegation and promotion? Realistically, I hoped to go .500 my first year in a higher division and I think that's accurate as to what the average fan expects. Anything over .500 or the playoffs should be 4 or 5 balls easily.

On that note, if you're relegated, your fans should expect promotion that year and a first place finish. Kind of like fans in the English Premier League.

now i comes to another wish, something like seasons target ;)

And expectations for single games like in HT, but in this case maybe differences betwenn the amount of visitor should come to, like in Ht.

I don't know soccer so good, but i don't beleve that a teams who promotes in div one and play in the top of the league will have the same amount of ticket and merchandise sales like ManU - here the amount of visitors is mostly a seasonal view(the team who promotes have still a little bonus with the last season categorie, who makes the new seaoson not that hard) - but if he play succesfull you won't recognize a different betwenn an old top team.