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Having finally sold a player for the first time in ages I went to see what I could buy... couple of interesting looking players but during my search it is obvious that there are a couple of trades going on...

Having been one of the most vocal about trades as early as season 3 and again later, I'd like to know if we can have some clarity as to what is and what isnt allowed.

If you think a player cheats, please fill in a cheating report with as much info as possible (player ids, team ids etc). Remember the tags in the forums like [player=xxx will work in the tickets as well, which makes it way easier for GMs to handle the tickets hehe (sry for being a bit lazy). But don't use the forums for things like this

@ Superfly, trades are allowed as long as the players are sold for market value.

Well excuse my ignorance but doesn't this contradict the belief (and I presume aim of BB) to have an open market? If there is a "trade" doesn't that in and of itself contradict fair market value?

If its really a "trade" doesn't one have to constantly increase the bid to procure the player? So by its terms it has to be against fair market because one has to win the bid to procure the player?

As I said I may be missing something. But basically there are players out there on the market that I will never have a chance of buying? Now I know in theory that's the case as it is but trades are pre-arranged purchases that are never really on the market?

I completely agree with you.

However right now a trade is considered as a normal purchase and will be handled as such. So if the players are sold for too much, the transfer will be corrected, if not, then nothing will happen.

Lol. I appreciate your response and your candor.

"Memo to self-save your money, have a big bank account. Buy player at any cost and BB will correct purchase price but who cares I got the player I wanted."

:)

Hehe basicly that's possible yes.
[extreme] You can offer 20 million at a $800 salary player if you really want that one, I will correct the transfer to a price of 1.000, but you can add the player to your roster. [/extreme]

This is the 3rd time in 5 seasons I spark up a debate.. and seemingly the 3rd time its just getting swept under the carpet with a 'if its over market value - it will be adjusted'.

I used this as an example...not naming players/teams just putting out a plea for clarity.

@ Superfly, trades are allowed as long as the players are sold for market value.

The fact that it is obvious to many more users than myself shows as dray pointed out that any 'trade' is NEVER likely to take place at the market rate (UNLESS every other BB team has a $0 bank balance unbeknown to the teams attempting the trade)

I think everyone appreciates the cloak and dagger way that cheats are dealt with behind the scenes - this is and is never in question. But a trade is a trade...and I challenge you to show me an example of one going thru within market rates.

The grey area for 'trades' which crops up every now and then touches a nerve with others as often the players involved are players those with cash would attempt to purchase but if an agreement has not been made in advance then the bids they place will simply be trumped until all other interested parties are flushed out.

Its one thing to understand that 'it is being taken care of' but another to not know where the boundaries are in the first place. Most peoples interpretation of MV's is going to differentiate and 10-15% margins are not uncommon for specialist players.

It would be a nice addition to the transfer disclaimer if everyone could read 'if a recently sold player to a team is shortly followed by a new signing from the same team, the transactions will be investigated and if found to be above market values all players involved will be released as free agents'

Trades are dealt with as two separate sales, and this always has been this way from the beginning, I don't understand what has changed.

"Memo to self-save your money, have a big bank account. Buy player at any cost and BB will correct purchase price but who cares I got the player I wanted."

I know you brought this up in another thread, but wanted to clarify here. If you sell your player overpriced, you will be fined for the amount over market-value.

Hypothetically, if you pay 1m more then market value for a player and sell your player for 1m over market value, you will be overpaying by 1m for the incoming player and then be fined 1m for your outgoing player. If it's worth it to overpay market-value and then be fined for it, that's not just against the rules, it's bad management.

Maybe if there is a red flag deal where players are exchanged between teams for over market value (which is tough to define in cases of the highest end players I imagine) the players should be made free agents, and the money lost forever. This would end trading pretty abruptly. I don't know how big a problem it is or how seriously the BB's/GM's are about containing it, but removing the players in question from the teams in question would probably halt the activity.