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Tomas Owen will be better than Mosely. I can't see how Mosely, who's only played 11 minutes could be ranked so high. Either way, I like both players and I've decided to try training Owen to be a SF so I'm concentrating getting his OD and ID up. This allows Partridge/Candia to benefit since they will end up with training minutes when I train the Bigs and will allow Cantrell/Coyle or Cantrell/Titus to benefit when I train the 1-spot.

Yeah, lack of minutes really skews the rankings.

If you (or anyone else) can help me out with a PER formula in a spreadsheet, the rankings would make more sense. As it is, I'm just adding up the per 48 averages and subtracting turnovers. So, it's not a real ranking system by any means.

Does it make more sense to just add together the totals instead of the averages?

No, adding the totals only creates a false sense of accomplishment. Mosely, having only played 11 minutes, gives off this false illusion that he's playing better than these other players below him. Now, it's just my opinion and I'm no expert, but my method for ranking was to first group players and then compare those players.

In this case, minutes is the easiest way to group.

It's pretty difficult to just explain over the forums but I created a Histogram to diagram players that played a particular amount of minutes and found that the middle of the pack will be alot heavier than the outside edges. You don't have a whole lot of players in this group so doing a histogram might prove to be fruitless.

I'd probably determine the average minutes and then include only players that rise above the average for all those rookies. That way it will reduce your sample down to a even more manageable size. In my personal opinion, you cannot fairely judge a player that has only had 11 minutes of league play versus a player that has had 70+ minutes, especially when doing a Per48 comparison.

Anyways, keep at what you are doing. Regardless of how i think of the rankings, it provides for some fantastic forum chatter. My rankings are far from being all that great. In fact, I'm going with a 99.9% chance that my rankings are far from telling the actual truth ... especially now that I'm going to being working on my AA in Mathematics so that I can transfer to a University and double major in Mathematics and Statistics. Everything I've done with my rankigns has been accomplished through trial-&-error and from what I remember back as a 5-level maintenance analyst for the US Air Force. They're nothing special and I have no doubte that my schooling will prove that. They're more for forum fodder, something to talk about ... and to excite any potential rivalries knowing they've got a player ranked really high about to matchup against an outstanding opponent.

This week's rookie rankings are out:

(http://spreadsheets.google.com/pub?key=0Ap-ztFnWrTG_dFRKN...)

Taking our resident statician's advice, I got the average minutes played for rookies, and put them into two groups: above the average and below. They are then ranked according to what I'm calling their PER48 score: P/48,A/48,R/48,S/48 totals - turnovers.

Hopefully, this gives a more accurate view of our new players.

Hubert Corcoran has moved on, so there was room for a new leader among the first-year players, and the Magic's Jeremy Souza was happy to oblige. He's averaging 28-5-6 per 48 and is impressing the Magic coaches with his play. Tachenko's Dwain Higginbotham is also moving up the ranks, getting solid minutes this week and delivering for the Big 8 club.

It's interesting to me that of nearly all the teams with rookies in the rankings are very much in the playoff chase. So, these players are getting time on the floor and not hurting their team's performance.

awesome job! they look much more realistic now that players are grouped.

I'm inspired by your player rankings...i"m gonna update the rookies tonight.

The Rookie Rankings are updated.

(https://spreadsheets.google.com/pub?key=0Ap-ztFnWrTG_dFRKN...)

E.C. High Flyer young gun Juan Javier edges out the Magic's Souza for the top spot, mainly due to minutes played, since Souza has played about 70 more minutes than his Fenares.

The Rookie Rankings are updated.

(https://spreadsheets.google.com/pub?key=0Ap-ztFnWrTG_dFRKN...)

E.C. High Flyer young gun Juan Javier edges out the Magic's Souza for the top spot, mainly due to minutes played, since Souza has played about 70 more minutes than his Fenares.