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So Here is the summary:

I lost by a bunch. I TIEd the game and rested some of my better players. Here is my summary of INSIDE ISOLATION.

First Shot distribution:
PG 13.5 17.5%
SG 20.5 26.6%
SF 9 11.7%
PF 17.5 22.7%
C 16.5 21.4%

As you can see about 43% of the shots came from PF and C. About 20% of my shots were 3 points. This is way higher than look inside.

Assist by Position
PG 4.5 26.5%
SG 3.5 20.6%
SF 3 17.6%
PF 2.5 14.7%
C 3.5 20.6%

I think you PF an C are passing out the ball more. Making Assist more equal.

TO's by position:
PG 7.5 30.0%
SG 3.5 14.0%
SF 5 20.0%
PF 3.5 14.0%
C 5.5 22.0%

I am not sure I trust this stat since My PG normally takes care of the ball well. But the number of TO's for Inside players is up from other games.

Reb by position
PG 3 12.0%
SG 3 12.0%
SF 11 44.0%
PF 16 64.0%
C 10 40.0%

It seems I did not rebound as well as normal. I am not sure what to attribute this to. This super small sample does indicate you need great inside reb.

Summary:

PF and C should be stars to effectively run the offense. You need not only great scorers and rebounders, but passing is very important. This offense is designed for all around PF and C. If you do not have the skills necessary, the offense will expose your weaknesses. The offense is ran by the PF and C, with them passing out to try and get open shots. It does lead to more 3 pt attempts than other inside based offenses and can help to cover up weaker players on the outside. I would love to see other results to help increase the sample size. I will keep playing this style in PL games to get a better sample.


Comparing to last season, It seems as though I shot way more 3 pts this game. Last season 11% of my shots were 3s. However, the spike could be due to the fact that I was down the whole game.

Last edited by phelps41 at 1/15/2011 11:43:29 PM

how do you get all those info from just your games thats like... wow

Well you've used "Inside Isolation" so obviously most of the shots will be taken by your big-men.

I wanted to look at more than just shot distribution. The interesting thing is that I shot way more 3pt with inside iso than I did with look inside. Also, the strength of my guard is passing doesn't appear to be used well in this offense.

Further more stats are king!

The idea of isolation is that the best players are given the ball and they have to create shots. This would mean that success is less dependant on passing.

I imagine, though have no stats to back it up, that driving would be a key skill for isolation.

Hopefully the Parrot can get some data and include it into his Coach Parrot tool soon.

Inside isolation: Orlando Magic or Raptors when bosh was still around, with a dominant Inside player to post up or drive and when double team comes, he kicks it out.

Outside isolation: A player who can drive and finish or dish it out like Derrick Rose is doing now.

One correction:

IN BB, Iso is not ran through a specific player. Instead it seems to be ran based on the position a player is playing. Last night my best player was my C. Inside Iso ran more plays for my PF than my C. I think the style is best for teams that have both strong PF and Cs. Not just one. Since in iso if your player isnt open he kicks out, I believe passing is more important than in the other inside offenses.

I did the Outside Iso in my game last night, set it to TIE, expecting to lose the game, and ended up doing a lot better than I'd thought- here's some raw stats for the game.

My starting SG played the full 48 minutes, and took 25 of the team's 89 shots, roughly 28% of the total shots taken.
My starting PG payed the full 48 minutes, and took 7 of the team's 89 shots (missing them all, might I add?), a bit less than 8% of the total shots taken.
The SF Position was split 26/19/3 between 3 players, with some stats not quite accurate, because two of the three got a couple minutes at Center. I'll estimate that 29 of the team's 89 shots were taken at SF, about 30% of the total shots.
The PF position was played by the same guy the full 48 minutes. He took 12 shots during the game, about 13% of the total shots. He also led the team with 13 rebounds.
The Center was split between 5 players (strangely enough!?!) with 44 of those minutes being split between 3 players that can provide me reasonable statistics, because the other 4 minutes were by players who played mostly SF.

The team's rebounding suffered severely. Only 36 rebounds is the lowest number of rebounds the team has gotten since season 11 (my first season in BB). That being said, 13 of those 36 rebounds, over 1/3 of the total, were made by the Power Forward. The starting Center, who played 34 minutes, only had 2 rebounds. He also fouled out.

20 assists is a large number for my team; the average my team usually gets is around 13-16 a game.
At least 5 and at most 9 of those assists were made by the Center position, the reason I say this is because of the one player who got 3 minutes at Center and 26 at SF, who had 4 assists. The starting center had 5 assists in 34 minutes.
4 assists were produced from the SG position, and 4 were produced byt he PF position. 2 assists were produced by the PG, and the remaining assists (at least 1, and at most 5) were by the SF.

Thank you for the post on Outside ISo. Seems as though outside iso focuses on SG and SF. Driving would be a key. I am curious to find out what the other pos need to be successful in this offense.

So what is the pace like??

Really, really good post this one. All we need is another 300 to get some quantitative data...