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179621.10 in reply to 179621.7
Date: 4/7/2011 2:06:48 PM
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That unnecessarily complicates the game, doesn't it?

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179621.11 in reply to 179621.8
Date: 4/7/2011 2:11:52 PM
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The quality of the backup should be irrelevant! If I'm setting the depth chart, maybe I'd like a scrub to come off the bench and eat minutes, if I'm going to win anyways. Basically the "strictly follow depth chart" option then becomes the "coach picks from depth chart" option.

And are you saying that if the backup is a bad player, the starter won't sub out regardless of stamina? Because this is quite clearly not true. Players with average to bad stamina always sub out, regardless of the quality of the backup. This should be no different for strong and proficient players.

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179621.12 in reply to 179621.11
Date: 4/7/2011 5:32:02 PM
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I agree with you, in non trainable slot i buy players with low stamina (3) yust to avoid them playing too much minutes because i can´t aford a good backup. For me, low stamina in this players is good and somethin i look for. I should not be like that.

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179621.13 in reply to 179621.1
Date: 4/7/2011 9:22:00 PM
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The problem isn't stamina. It's the large quality gap between your starter and your backup.

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179621.14 in reply to 179621.13
Date: 4/7/2011 9:58:41 PM
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That's a problem, but not the problem.

If my awful stamina SF is backed up by a much worse player, he subs out without fail. If my strong stamina PG is backed up by a similarly bad player, he doesn't come out of the game. So the problem is directly related to stamina.

As far as quality players go, there are sound strategies in which you use bad players to eat minutes in easy league games, to save salary. If an owner sets his sim for "strictly follow depth chart," the coach should follow that depth chart. It's absurd that a player with strong stamina becomes some sort of renegade who can successfully tune out his coach, just because his owner had the nerve to make his stamina better.

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179621.15 in reply to 179621.14
Date: 4/7/2011 10:21:38 PM
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That is half right but it is because of high stamina that they are able to perform at a higher level for longer periods of time. During that time, the player is still able to play better than your backup so hence your backup won't come on.

e.g (figures are completely arbitrary and used to demonstrate my point)

Say you have a starting PG with Passing at 15 and a backup PG with Passing at 5

If your starter have awful stamina, he will get tired sooner meaning his skills will drop sooner. When it drops to say around 4, the backup is stronger than the starter so the backup comes on.

If your starter have strong stamina, he will be able to play long periods without having to rest. So say for the whole game, his skill drop from 15 to say 7 by the end of the game, which is still higher than your backup. Hence your backup does not come on at all.

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179621.16 in reply to 179621.15
Date: 4/7/2011 10:36:10 PM
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Right, but how does this correspond with the "strictly follow depth chart" option? Obviously, if I set the sim for that option, I want my starters to rest. Isn't that the reason there are multiple substitution options to choose from, in the first place?

The fact remains that strong stamina is a hindrance when your players drop in GS if they play too many minutes. Stamina should not overrule the "strictly follow" option. I think I get why it happens, but it's still nonsensical.

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179621.17 in reply to 179621.16
Date: 4/7/2011 10:46:50 PM
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how does this correspond with the "strictly follow depth chart" option


It is following your depth chart. It will always be starter, backup then reserve. If your starter will play better than your backup, then the coach is going to keep him on the court regardless of depth chart.

Ever considered starting your weaker player and have your stronger player come off the bench to try help out minutes?

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179621.18 in reply to 179621.14
Date: 4/7/2011 10:47:28 PM
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Basically, your complaint is that your player is performing closer to what you're paying him for over an extended period due to his high stamina, and you can't get the minute distribution you'd prefer because you're unwilling/unable to pay a better backup. Nothing's wrong with the system, you're getting more money value out of the strong stamina player, because he's playing closer to his salary over the course of the game than the awful stamina player. The tactical decision to have a really big disparity in your starter-backup talent levels just means that you either have to avoid starting your good player twice or get a massage doc and deal with the poor GS.

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179621.19 in reply to 179621.18
Date: 4/7/2011 11:05:53 PM
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This makes sense in theory, until you consider that the player is adversely affected by playing too many minutes when his GS starts to drop. I have a massage doctor, and he doesn't help the cause nearly enough to justify breaking 80 minutes (unwillingly, of course).

There is a problem, in that all coaches are present-biased, and long-term effects are not considered (even if I ask my coach to please consider long-term effects and follow the depth chart).

Last edited by RiseandFire at 4/7/2011 11:08:26 PM

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179621.20 in reply to 179621.17
Date: 4/7/2011 11:08:00 PM
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how does this correspond with the "strictly follow depth chart" option


It is following your depth chart. It will always be starter, backup then reserve. If your starter will play better than your backup, then the coach is going to keep him on the court regardless of depth chart.

Ever considered starting your weaker player and have your stronger player come off the bench to try help out minutes?

In this case, it's treating the backup like a reserve. When coaches use set rotations the backup replaces the starter at a certain point in time regardless of skill disparity. That a game which relies on minutes management wouldn't have rotational sub patterns is a ridiculous, yet unfortunately true proposition.

and yeah, I've started my weaker player quite often, because I've had to. but I shouldn't have to...

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