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From: malice
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186343.10 in reply to 186343.9
Date: 6/3/2011 10:44:41 AM
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Love that immediately, LA came out and said "yes, we will be retiring that jersey".

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Date: 6/5/2011 3:40:13 AM
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Bill Russell
Lew Alcindor aka Kareem Abdul Jabbar
Wilt Chamberlain
Hakeem Olajuwon
Shaq


Honestly, for me...its:

Wilt
Abdul Jabber
Shaq
Russell
Ojabuwon

somewhere in there is George Mikan.

I never saw Wilt or Russell play, but I can look at their numbers. Russell, both and college, is better in terms of championships. But I don't honestly think that there was a player quite like Chamberlain. Shaq, in my lifetime, was certainly the most dominate player I've ever seen (including Kobe, Jordan and Olajuwon). Not for his entire career, but at his peak, I don't think there was ever a player as dominate as he was.

Also, I think George Mikan has to be in there somewhere. Would he have matched up aginst Wilt or Shaq or Howard? Probably not...but for his time, I think he was probably more dominate than Wilt, Jordan or Shaq.



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186343.12 in reply to 186343.11
Date: 6/5/2011 11:50:29 AM
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yea i could see why you'd put wilt #1 because the NBA did change many rules against his game but I only had wilt at 3 because of i guess championships but yea the rule changes against him definitely don't show on his stats or achievements.

and on shaq, at his height and weight, he was very athletic and there definitely wasn't another person near his size and athleticism.

good arguement

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Date: 6/5/2011 4:14:00 PM
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If Shaq could have just hit his free throws I would probably have considered him the greatest so far.

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186343.14 in reply to 186343.11
Date: 6/5/2011 4:58:03 PM
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Well, in my heart he is no.1. He is definitely no.1 of his time. But i like the fact that he is the last old school center I;ve seen in quite a while. Not afraid to get his hands dirty under the rim, not afraid of the big moments. A great legend.

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186343.15 in reply to 186343.14
Date: 6/5/2011 5:38:54 PM
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I'd go Kareem #1, or Russell - because of what they achieved (Russell in the NBA, Kareem from HS-college-NBA).

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Date: 6/5/2011 11:19:10 PM
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I think ever since the introduction of zone defenses being allowed in the NBA we have seen the slow death of the dominant big man. Still one or two around but certainly seems like a dying breed.

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Date: 6/5/2011 11:53:11 PM
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Dunno about "dying out"... it's just that it's such an unique mix that truly dominant big men are kinda rare. I mean, that kind of size, with that kind of power... mixed with enough agility to utilize it. Rare 'tis.
Usually, there'll only be one or two in any generation playing. I'd suggest that Dwight Howard's of that ilk, and Andrew Bynum might be too.

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Date: 6/6/2011 10:48:59 AM
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I disagree. There may not be Shaq or Howard like centers in abundance but the lack of even solid centers in the NBA is glaring. It has become more of a utility position than it used to be. I read an article in sporting news about production of centers in the NBA since zone D was introduced and the numbers support this theory. Of course numbers only show part of the picture and can be deceiving.

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Date: 6/6/2011 3:09:54 PM
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I'd go Kareem #1, or Russell - because of what they achieved (Russell in the NBA, Kareem from HS-college-NBA).


FYI...Russell won two college championships at USF with KC Jones and company.

Russell led USF to NCAA championships in 1955 and 1956, including a string of 55 consecutive victories. He became known for his strong defense and shot-blocking skills, once denying 13 shots in a game. UCLA coach John Wooden called Russell "the greatest defensive man I've ever seen".

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