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From: Marot

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191066.10 in reply to 191066.1
Date: 7/26/2011 8:26:09 AM
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Facing a NT with HCA is just another motivation to win ;)

Anyway, S15 Spain won on Itally home the European title, so all you need is a perfect management.

HCA is hard to beat, but it isn't unbeatable. It's just another challenge, i don't see any reason to change it,

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191066.11 in reply to 191066.9
Date: 7/26/2011 10:59:18 PM
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Nobody is saying they are bitter that Poland one the NT Championship this season. It was well deserved and Poland could have won possibly on another team's soil.

However, for someone (not yourself) to say you could have won the Semi and Final on the road is ridiculous. Yes you could have done so at that point, BUT it's because you TIE'd every game up until that point. With such a huge enthusiasm advantage there was no possible way outside of your entire starting 5 getting hurt of Poland losing once the semi's were decided.

Was it unfair? No, under the current system that has been used other teams have also benefited from the same advantage the Polish did. So nobody is wanting the rule to be changed just because Poland won the title. You guys did an absolutely great job of showing why the advantage is too great though with your blowout in the championship.

Whoever said it is realistic that HCA helps in real life is correct in my opinion as well. That's why I am an advocate for a greatly reduced HCA instead of completely taking it away. It's effect is too great right now. If 10% is the real numbers i would be for 3%. Still a good advantage but more realistic and would not make it impossible for any team to overcome if HCA was handed to a top 10 NT.

That would be my solution anyway...

Last edited by Stauder at 7/26/2011 10:59:41 PM

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191066.12 in reply to 191066.11
Date: 7/27/2011 4:57:38 AM
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HCA advantage isn't so big as You think. Yes, it's helpful, but no so much as I read on forum.
I think it's mainly "mental" advantage. Because other teams often use TIE than CT against team, which is considered stronger than other.
I saw it in European Qualification two seasons ago. We were in group with Spain and if we count effort of our opponents in this way:
1 - when they use TIE
2 - when they use normal
3 - when they use CT
then sum of effort used by the same opponents against Poland was (afaik) by 4 more than sum of effort used against Spain.
It's strategic choise. 3rd team "on paper" very often use TIE against 1st the best and CT against 2nd the best team in group. Because his goal is to beat one of two better teams.
And of course Spain was big favorite and Poland was team which must be beaten.
In both group phases in ECh we were CTed 4 times (in 12 matches), no other team fought 4 times against CT in ECh. Meanwhile in both group phases in WCh (9 matches) no one opponent used CT. But Chile showed that normal is enough to beat Poland ;-) But NT manager of Chile is great champion and he made good calculation that this victory open way to final. Other managers made few mistakes in TIE/normal/CT strategy.
So as I said HCA is mainly mental advantage. In match I don't see huge bonus.
One more thing. I think if Deutschland, Lietuva or France had HCA they would won repasages. Because they lost decisive matches by few points. But if You check Poland's matches in repasages You can see we won all them by 30-50 poinst. So I'm sure we should won repasages even if all three opponents had HCA.
It shows that success wasn't only effect of HCA. We made good work with training, we had some luck with gameshapes and injuries (Eygi had the best form in his career during ECh, Wisniewski during WCh, both in decisive matches). Other teams had less luck (for example case of Zuya) and made more mistakes.
I think HCA means +5 to final score. It isn't so huge.

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191066.13 in reply to 191066.8
Date: 7/27/2011 10:34:32 AM
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I agree with you. This game must be realistic and HCA always boosts performance of the home team. So it should stay as it is.

Why?

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191066.14 in reply to 191066.13
Date: 7/27/2011 11:40:52 AM
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I agree with you. This game must be realistic and HCA always boosts performance of the home team. So it should stay as it is.


Why?


Why not?

From: CrazyEye

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191066.17 in reply to 191066.16
Date: 7/27/2011 12:08:57 PM
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[qWell if we really wanted it to be realistic the USA would win every time ;)]

like 1998, oh no

then 2002, damn at least the USA had homecourt and finished 6th

but ok 2006 was another world championship, and hey the US won their last game for place 3

but finally 2010 they won the final

Beside of this, i think spain and italy would be the top nation in BB world instead of the USA.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FIBA_World_Championship

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