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TPE is not precise. We can't force a value upon a player as market vary during the season and over seasons.

It should not vary more than 20% between seasons.
It varies due to luck, and not due to need.

ok then you make exact prices for all (10^7)*11 möglichkeiten,thats a number with 8 zero and that only for draft. When you think you could avoid TPE, with fixed prices, and that they are easy to implement.

It varies due to luck, and not due to need.

it also varies through needs, let you tell you this from someone who have experience there was always be trends on the TL.

This is not a dice game... it is BB managing game (I feel that I need to repeat this kind of explanation with you).

and is it not a mathematical formula, how you had to play it right.

This type of luck (as I said) is part of a real draft. Assesment is not always working.

could you decide yourself finally?

TPE is not precise. We can't force a value upon a player as market vary during the season and over seasons.

It should not vary more than 20% between seasons.
It varies due to luck, and not due to need.

ok then you make exact prices for all (10^7)*11 möglichkeiten,thats a number with 8 zero and that only for draft. When you think you could avoid TPE, with fixed prices, and that they are easy to implement.

No. Bargaining is one of the games features to a point.
It should not be fixed, but should vary around normal values.
"Amazingly", this what happens in the real world. The price is not fixed, but you would not pay triple (for example) as much for a player.

The price of a player will be upon the estimation already are part of the game, with some additional calculation to give a very rough value to those type of players who had not been estimated until now.

It varies due to luck, and not due to need.

it also varies through needs, let you tell you this from someone who have experience there was always be trends on the TL.

A need who is not proportional to the player value means something fishy is going on.
In any case, cases of earning money due to ignorance of new users who are not familiar yet with the game should be eliminated.
I do not see in any league a case where a team buys a player with a value that just not correlate to the players market's value.
Remark (as I know you), player's value is not his actual skills in the real world, but what a player with his resume currently earns.

This is not a dice game... it is BB managing game (I feel that I need to repeat this kind of explanation with you).

and is it not a mathematical formula, how you had to play it right.

See above.
Basicaly you ask it to be a dice game.

This type of luck (as I said) is part of a real draft. Assesment is not always working.

could you decide yourself finally?

There is just no connection so this "attack" attempt is foolish.
The game is not about luck, and new users ignorance of the game.
The draft is about an assesment, which is not always right.
Both are definitions of the game.

And why do I have the feeling that you won money due to this type of ignorance, and this is why you want to keep it like that...

And why do I have the feeling that you won money due to this type of ignorance, and this is why you want to keep it like that...

great argument, sir. As always.

I hope you design your own game soon, with your knwoledge about system and the majority it would be a big succes.

What do you think. Is the NBA draft a sure thing or is there a bit of luck involved? You can give some examples after choosing either one of those answers.

What do you think. Is the NBA draft a sure thing or is there a bit of luck involved? You can give some examples after choosing either one of those answers.

In case you would have first read my message fully, before launching an attack you will sound less...

Anyhow, as I said, there is a difference between wrong assesment - peeking Oden prior of Durant, and between using ignorance (due to not knowing the game or other) out of the charts to gain money.
I didn't see a player who had been worth X in the NBA got fife times his value on another team.
The value will be very close (not more than 50% for sure, for example) between who offers for that player.

What do you think. Is the NBA draft a sure thing or is there a bit of luck involved? You can give some examples after choosing either one of those answers.

Can we keep it real? No one cares about "a bit of luck".
Spending no money on draft and catching a legend 18yo selling him at 2M is not "a bit" of luck. It's just stupid random.

This draft system has to be fixed. As a lot of people have been demanding for ages.

Last edited by Biffo (*DT Member) at 11/9/2011 6:01:32 PM

It was ment for Biffo. I messed up choosing receiver.

I didn't see a player who had been worth X in the NBA got fife times his value on another team.

the salary stay the same ;) And NBA players don't progress with that speed, but franchise also measure talent versus skill differently.

Last edited by CrazyEye at 11/9/2011 6:50:54 PM

So what you are saying is. You can pick that best player (without spending on draft) over a guy (who is spending money on draft) 99%?, 75%?, 50%, 25%, 10%, 1% of a time. What is your educated guess? Is this really a problem. In what league has this happened? How often has this happened?
I would say a player investing about 140k in draft will pick a better player 99% of the time, even if he is picking second, after the blind drafter.

I would say a player investing about 140k in draft will pick a better player 99% of the time, even if he is picking second, after the blind drafter.

pure random gives you 2% over someone who knows all, since he won't know all i think it is closer to 10%(which means there are 3-4 players better then the best draft the guy who invested know in it) even when the chanche to get a jewel blind is around the 2% from the first draft position.

Last edited by CrazyEye at 11/9/2011 7:00:40 PM

We can cut out the 19yo-s as they will get outtrained by 18yo-s in one season easily. So that leaves us about half a draft of 18yo-s to get info from. With 140k you get to know atleast all 18yo-s player rating. Sure with one pick he would have a 2% chance to pick the best player. But if we are looking at it exponentially drafting the same draft 48 times. He might never hit the best player. His chance would be 0.02 in the 48-th power. Starting draft order should have more better players on the upper section of the list, so that might help the percentage a little, but it still remains well under 1%. So based on that I still think the guy investing will get a better player 99% of the time, even if he drafts second.

Last edited by Kukoc at 11/9/2011 7:19:35 PM