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From: Yuck

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Date: 6/2/2012 12:56:56 PM
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I have a few thoughts. Going to fire you a BBmail

From: Xarn

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Thank you for your thorough reply. Even more so, thank you for clarifying that you had no core data or proof. I am often quoted as saying something along those lines on Hattrick (where I feel I have a better understanding of the match engine then I do here)

Not being a numbers guy, sometimes it is easy to be discounted. I appreciate your thoughts and your approach.

From: GM-hrudey

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Thank you for your thorough reply. Even more so, thank you for clarifying that you had no core data or proof. I am often quoted as saying something along those lines on Hattrick (where I feel I have a better understanding of the match engine then I do here)


Whoa there, hoss, your best player on Hattrick is a girl. ;)

I've used Princeton a little, and it definitely affects the ratings, but I think a team with a lot of driving and good perimeter shooting all around might be able to use it effectively.


From: Xarn

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Thank you for your thorough reply. Even more so, thank you for clarifying that you had no core data or proof. I am often quoted as saying something along those lines on Hattrick (where I feel I have a better understanding of the match engine then I do here)


Whoa there, hoss, your best player on Hattrick is a girl. ;)

I've used Princeton a little, and it definitely affects the ratings, but I think a team with a lot of driving and good perimeter shooting all around might be able to use it effectively.




She's still better than any player you've ever coached. Yeah.. I went there!

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Date: 6/5/2012 2:24:42 PM
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Yes, although I understand their game engine way less :D

Last edited by Big Dogs at 6/5/2012 2:26:32 PM

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Hattrick has match engine?


Yeah, in the sense that weighted coin flips based on some generated ratings can be considered a match engine. Not a good one, of course!

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Date: 6/6/2012 12:16:09 AM
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A lot of research was put into this so here goes:

Princeton is an offensive strategy that emphasizes constant motion, passing, backdoor cuts and disciplined teamwork. It is designed for 5 players who can each pass, shoot and dribble at an above average level. Positions are less important. Having a strong post player is effective because the player is critical to passing to backdoor cutters, and can draw a double team to open outside shots. The defensive team attempts to pack the paint to prevent backdoor cuts, the offense then utilizes three pointers from the perimeter. All 5 players should be competent at making a three point shot. Like my friend, Yuck said, 'Power Forward is the most important position. Passing is required, jump shot is a must, jump range is bonus and handling and driving are required. The tactic is best against 2-3 Zone and sorry to oppose you Yuck but it is worst against 1-3-1 Zone and 3-2 Zone.

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Date: 6/6/2012 2:45:54 AM
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I'll add my observation. Each tactic takes into consideration player's best skills. For example, LI: If your player has better DR than PA, he will drive more and pass less.
Same with Princeton or Motion: If your player has more JR, he will shoot from bigger distance. If he has much more JS than JR (for example, 17/10), he will try more midrange jumpers.

So a lot depends on players' builds. I've seen a lot of Motion games where players shot a lot of 3s. Then I saw a lot of Motion games where players didn't shoot 3s at all, or had the same number of attempts as in LI for example. In some games, PG took most shots. In others, it was PF. You can really change the tactic itself with how you build your players. Take two different teams, play same tactics and the outcome will differ a lot between those two teams.

From: Yuck

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Date: 6/6/2012 3:35:47 AM
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You don't have to be sorry when opposing me Olanipekun. I clearly stated I have no hard core data. Just thoughts and observations. I do however agree with Koperboy when he says the tactic bends towards your strengths. The Princeton you describe is also the way a team built for RNG would operate. Well you would be correct in saying that a RNG team playing Princeton would struggle against a 1-3-1 or a 3-2. If you explore my written thoughts I elude to a more passing and handling team operating the offense with less jr might eat up the soft spots in the 3-2 zone. I don't know for sure but I have seen what Koperboy stated where different builds operate differently within offenses and a different lineup within the same team can totally change a look of an offense.

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Date: 6/7/2012 12:39:21 PM
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I can agree with this. I ran Motion a lot in the past, and now I run more LP. I have noticed that my PG with 11 JS/JR attempts way more 3s than anyone on my team. In comparison, I have guards with 10 JS/6 JR, 10 JS/5 JR, 11 JS/7 JR. In fact, last season my PG was 41-128 from three, while the others were 15-60, 7-31, and 21-66. This season I have run LP for the most part, and my PG has gone 5-23. The others have so far has produced 3-16, 0-8, and 5-18. Does anyone know if a change in tactics can affect a player's three point shooting?

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