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@ everyone: +1, thanks a lot for your input! :)

Obviously this issue requires more study from me. I've kept an eye for other human player arenas in my league and I've regularly checked out the attendance/arena expansion tool in buzzer-manager.com. The only real issue is the difficulty on making a choice, since you can't destroy arena seats and once it's finished expanding, it's really finished. I'm still striving for the total of 20550 seats since many users seem to agree on a soft cap around there.

The reason for why I started the thread is that I've read, understood and tested with my arena, that the lower tier retains more fans even after losses - and it's a rocky road to the top. Furthermore, at one's D.I league 18$ for bleachers is "normal" (from what I've seen). If you price your lower tier, say even at 21$ and succeed at filling those seats, then you're making more than what the bleacher seat could ever bring you.

@Phyr: Perhaps with correct pricing, one could influence the fans by raising the prices in the bleachers and keeping the lower tier at minimum? This of course will require some trial and error, but perhaps this way one could keep the arena at around that 12000/7500 D.I range, nevertheless of demotion/promotion issues. I assume the calculations you had on the offsite were a matter of diminishing returns, but one can only be that flexible in arena building!

Offsite tool showed the prices of every single arena in a certain USA Division and the number of seats each team was able to fill at that price.

I have had my Arena built for many seasons now; but lately I have been considering adding more Lower Tier Seats.

My question is, for those of you subscribing to this idea of larger Lower Tier Sections.... I already have 15,000 Bleacher seats...Do you believe that quantity of seats will interfere with having more Lower Tier Seats or is it worth for me to add them at this point?

Last edited by Jason at 8/19/2015 1:57:11 AM

Do you believe that quantity of seats will interfere with having more Lower Tier Seats

Fans buy tickets at the highest price they possibility can afford so the number of bleachers shouldn't affect LT sales. If fans can afford a LT ticket, they will buy it. If they can't, those potential LT fans buy bleachers.

is it worth for me to add them at this point?

In the long run, I would probably say yes especially in DI. Of course seeing how hypercompetitive the NBBA is, I dont know if I would be doing alot of arena building unless I was tanking because of the cost of LTs.

Everyone is overthinking it. Just build a 15k/10k arena and that's it.

It's really not that hard to build, even in large nations. I'm in my third Utopia season, and my arena is already large enough. I'm on 150k weekly profit in Div IV

Why 15k/10k?

Well, 10k bleachers is the maximum, and 15k is sell-able at maximum price with you're on a good run in DIV I

Theoretically, if you were winning championships, 17k/3k would be a best build. I don't remember Teradata from Pakistan attendances, but I think he was earning some 600k+ with a 18k/2k arena..

I'm really not sure about the exact numbers, but anyway, 5k bleachers cost only 1 million, which is really not much. You have random players selling for 1 million these days..

Last edited by Aleksandar at 8/19/2015 1:34:13 PM

I don't think building bleachers are the issue...its the 3.5 million you have to pay for 5k more LT when you go from 15k/5k to 15k/10k.

Maybe I am not getting something about building that many bleachers. Even if you set max prices for the bleachers, there are probably a lot of people in that 15k-17k bleacher section that could potentially afford a more expensive LT seat.

I don't think building bleachers are the issue...its the 3.5 million you have to pay for 5k more LT when you go from 15k/5k to 15k/10k.

Maybe I am not getting something about building that many bleachers. Even if you set max prices for the bleachers, there are probably a lot of people in that 15k-17k bleacher section that could potentially afford a more expensive LT seat

I understand it's a widely accepted thing, but I just don't buy it. I watch separate sections separately.

Just do the math this way:

Let's say you have maximum success(Teradata Pakistan model, hypothetically achievable in other non bot countries)

You can sell 18k bleachers at 20, that's 360k

You sell 2k LT at 70, that's 140k

Now let's consider 13k/7k build, which is somewhat accepted as the ideal.

13k*20=260k

Now you need to sell 7k LT at 34 price? Is it achievable in top leagues?

Now cut back bleachers even more, consider 10k/10k build

10k bleachers * 20 = 200k

Now you need to sell 10k LT at 30 price?

The point is: yes, there are some in the bleacher section that would buy cheaper LT, but you are losing on LT section fans who are willing to pay high price for LT

This leads me to conclusion that the best arena build is: to build as much bleachers as you can sell them at 20(maximum price)

So maybe in div II you can earn the most with a 10k/10k arena, or having mild success in div I, you're best off having a 12k/8k, or 14k/7k,

but ultimately, the more bleachers you can sell at high price, the less lower tiers you need.

Yesterday I was having a look at the first home league game of B3 participants that also got to the league finals last season.
The team with more income I found was this:
15k/6k fay_stelaios: 268k+236k+89k+42k=635k
Followed by:
17k/4k Augustiner 75ers: 312k+188k+88k+42k=630k
Third was:
17k/3k Brutus Buckeye: 324k+175k+85k+36k=620k (could be 630k if the right prices in courtside seats and luxury boxes).

I found if you have a small LT you can sell as much as 17k bleachers at 20; if you have a lot of LT you can sell as low as 13k bleachers at 20.

I always wanted to believe that 13k/7k was the way to go, but every time I check the data I am not convinced. Maybe if your team is doing not so great is when a big LT is rewarded, but that is a lot more difficult to check. And I say that because of this line in the rules:

You will find that the people who want the most expensive seats will pay their money win or lose (but care a lot about ticket prices), while the less expensive seats are mostly filled by rabid fans who will show up when the team is winning but won't pay to see a losing team.

Anyway, I would like to ask you if you are thinking about expanding your arena and if "yes" why. We have exactly the same arena size.