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I don't understand your point here : 19 yo have the same probability to have MVP, HoF or ATG potential than 18yo.

Exactly. My point is that although 19 y.o. will have slightly higher starting TSP, that will not result in higher end builds.

It's not common, but it does happen already. A couple seasons ago, I almost put one of my french trainees in the U21 squad, despite drafting him at 19yo. And he started with a very low TSP.
Scouting all U21 squads for the past two seasons to help the french one, I also saw a few players in those squad who were drafted at 19yo.

I agree - it is possible, yet not at all likely. I guess the vast majority of those players would be very tall pure centers and the most relevant increase there would only be ID, IS, RB, SB all + 0.5 (from 8.99 to 9.49 as max) which is just 2 TSP in primary skills, which taking elastics in consideration will only result in less than 1.5 TSP gain @ 21. It is not too much imo. Certainly not enough to make them more viable than 18 year-olds starting with 7.99 on primary skills.

Last edited by mink0ff at 6/24/2021 10:34:01 AM

Totally agree with ur suggestion. The users who disagree fail to see the big picture here. 19yo draftees are at a disadvantage compared to 18 yo. Almost none of experienced NT trainers choose 19 yo draftees because 18 yo is much faster to train, especially with gym and youth trainer. It is obviously unfair advantage since youth trainer and gym give % extra on the initial amount of training

Last edited by Cobra Kai at 6/28/2021 8:45:20 AM

We are close to 100 votes here, so I want to keep this alive for just a little longer.

The draftee market is on fire right now, so it's a good time to make observations. Here are mine:

1) There were/are some pretty good 19 yo players on the market. They are not far off the ones already being trained for a season but still I haven't yet found a guy that I would preffer over a ~50 TSP 18 y.o.

2) Max TSP for an 18 y.o. draftee (9+ pot) trained for a season -> 77 (currently 16 players on TL over 69TSP).

3) Max TSP for a new 19 y.o. draftee (9+ pot) -> 69.

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A summary of the suggestions in the discussion:

9.49 as a new limit is probably better/safer than 9.99

A max TSP for 19 y.o. (~70-75) to make sure there are no exceptional 19 y.o. draftees

As an alternative: keeping the current max (8.99) but rising the overall TSP of 19 y.o. somehow


Based on this info I maintain my disposition that we need to see the overall quality of 19 y.o. draftees increased once again (nothing drastic though). Looking forward to some more comments and votes!

Forgot to mention a very important point:

Buying a 19 y.o. reduces cost of training (you only pay for one season of youth trainer)

This adds a crucial decision-making step, which is great imo. One can easily still get 15-16 pops at a minimal cost (4/4 coaches, no gym). That means 70+ TSP after one season of training on a 54-55 TSP 18 y.o. draftee (those are quite common). And there no 70+ 19 y.o. draftees right now - none.

Thanks for the feedback! I hope we will find the best way to make 19 year-olds viable (but still not better) prospects.

I totally agree with the OP. My two cents on the current issue is this

Ive trained two 18 yo with lvl 5 basic trainer and lvl 6 youth trainer.

First one got 16 pops first season and the 2nd player got 18 pops

At 19 yo (second season) first got 11 pops and 2nd 12 pops

I also trained a 19 yo with the same lvl trainers and he got 13 pops

My training routine was mostly one on one forwards, 6 weeks od , 3 weeks handling, and few weeks JS guards or forwards

So if we want 19 yos to be slightly worse than 18 yo my estimation is that we need to increase their total tsp by 25 % minimum to 35% maximum

More accurately 11/16= 0.69 = 0.31 % less pops for first player

12/18=0.67=0.33 % less pops for 2nd player

To be even more accurate we could also have a strict 27% minimum to 30% maximum which also almost eliminates the random factor of sublevels of a draftee.

ss75 19yo > ss60 18yo

I wouldnt be so sure about that . As I describedin my previous post, one of my trainees had 18 pops in one season 18 yo with lvl 5 basic and level 6 youth trainer, no gym! And he wasnt trained one on one the whole season