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You have active third division leagues if I'm correct. You could have 10 18yo HoF every season quickly which is probably more than a lot of "big countries".

I sincerely hope that it is clear that it is not an attack, or anything similar, against the "big countries", which by the way I know you belong to one.

It's not about us, but in general about small countries, but in Chile, in practice, the third division is dead, personally I fell to III last season and they changed me to another II league.

In III the vast majority of leagues are just bots, and when a team is left alone, they can't "catch" anything decent, since the bots choose first. Also from the BB announcements I understand that to improve the game-experience, they are going to gather all the players of the division in a single league III.1 (still more than half of that league would be bots), so as much, it would be one more league at I.1 and four II. Not even close to 10 😉

I get your point and I admire the way you presented it - stating the issue and suggesting a possible solution. No aggressiveness or offensive statements. Thumbs up, mate!

Although I would prefer things to stay as they are right now with the draft quality, if something is to be done to improve draft in smaller communities, in my opinion there at least two more suitable approaches:

1) Through Utopia - increasing smaller communities chances farther. That would be my preference as it would not get players to farms, at least not directly and thus will somewhat boost the TL quality as well.

2) Through making draft in higher tier leagues (top tier + Div.II) better. I.e. top level having a better chance to get a 5 star potential player (like 20% if we assume it is 10% now), Div.II -> 15%. This would improve draft everywhere slightly but would be felt the most in smaller communities, which would make it fair for everyone and possible more importantly - would add an incentive to aim for the top league levels instead of tanking at the lower divisions.

Hello coach Lolo,

did not obtain any 18-year-old player potential Hall of famer/10+

ΒΒ's implementations to Utopia were to address this problem. However doing that for an exclusive number of countries that would be an example of unfair competition to the rest of the users. I guess they can raise a bit the possibilities but certainly not as much as ''At least 1 Hall of Famer player aged 18 for each league in the country''

I'm not saying that countries like Italy with 1,000 users get the same Hall of famer players per season as those of us who don't exceed 100 users

Its really impressive what you have achieved as a nations and its good that your hard work pays off. Although, you have to keep in mind that its often in big communities some of these highly valued prospects are drafted from newbies/quitting or low budget (IV,V) users so the real difference is not as big as you may think. Farms have the biggest role here but thats another subject to discuss!:D


Best of luck to all this season!

Such a change would play in favor of middle sized nations against micronations. Where Chile would get 5 HOF players, Korea might not even get one since our teams plays in "Nations of..." and the draft is shared with other nations.

Honestly, I did not really think about that part... Thanks for this input!

So I stand even firmer now in support of making any changes to the draft quality via Utopia.

As mentioned by others in other threads the national teams are a "plus" of the BuzzerBeater experience of managers.
They are a plus that involves only a small part of users around the world.
Adapting the whole game to an aspect that should be "plus" risks ruining the very concept of the game which is competition between clubs.

One HoF player for each series in "small/medium" nations would mean giving these managers a much higher hypothetical value than all managers in other states, who would be punished compared to their competitors (we are not just talking about BBM and BBB, but also simply of purchasing power of players / specialists etc.).

Giving more high draws to those who play in the high series (to avoid the tank .. for a change) would make the gap even higher between those who are already at the top and those who have to chase (and here again nations with many managers have a competition much higher than other less numerous nations).

I'm answering as Korea NT coach (perennial 4 users micronations with one squandering generations of draftees).

Such a change would play in favor of middle sized nations against micronations. Where Chile would get 5 HOF players, Korea might not even get one since our teams plays in "Nations of..." and the draft is shared with other nations. But even if all Korean teams had their own nation, we would get one HOF against the 5 for Chile, making it less likely to caught up to them.

The change with Utopia is the right one. It needs tweaking, sure, but that's how we can help everyone fairly without advantaging some countries over others or advantaging micronations teams over teams from bigger countries.

Hello everyone!

I understand that the idea will be to give at least a number of HoF players for each nation. Say 5 players at least for each country. Say 3 players, I don't know. It doesn't matter if is one for the league or 5 in one division. The important point is that without players, you cannot even try to compete in the World Cup. Indeed, I believe that the main point here is the fact that small countries with 0 players HoF with 18 years in a draft precludes those countries from competing for the big prizes. With a few players, you can try to compete, with 0 you cannot even try my friends.

For instance, take Chile and France. Chile drafted zero 18 years old HoF players. On the other hand, France drafted 31 HoF players with 18 years old this season. If you give 5 players to Chile, and you give 36 to France, you create the opportunity for Chile to compete (5 against 36). If you keep things the way they are now, the chances are 0 against 31. This doesn't look fair to me.

I'm speaking as a World Champion with a National Team. I say this just because I'm seeing some posts speaking about competition without saying what they reference for "competing." We need to be clear that one thing is trying to win some games and another different thing is competing for the championship.

Happy to discuss guys!