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Once you bid $X for my player, I can go bid on another player. So if you could withdraw a bid, you would still need to guarantee that I got my money. And it is also possible that I will lose money. Someone might have come in at the last moment and topped your bid, so I might lose additional money.

So I would have to at least have a guarantee of my money, plus say 10%. So let's say that the current bid was $300,000 and you bid $400,000, and then decided to withdraw your bid. You would still be on the hook for $140,000, so that even if no one bids again, I'm not out any money.

But let's say that I was the one who had bid $300,000 in the first place. After your raised to $400,000, I went looking for another player. What if that is the same player that you saw? Am I stuck with the other player, and you perhaps get the new player at a lower price?

Or I might be someone who saw your $400,000 bid, and didn't book mark that player.

And there could be an opportunity for collusion. Someone raises the price up and chases off other bidders, and then withdraws it so their friend could get a cheaper player.

I think that there are too many problems. It might work if there were a different transfer model. For example in RL, you would probably be negotiating with several teams, and as soon as a deal was made would stop negotiating the others.

I estimate a 0% chance that your proposal will ever be considered. Sorry.

That would be an excellent estimation.

I can understand the thought process but it has vastly more negatives than positives.

indeed.

This simply has huge disadvantages, even if it would be considered.

The effect when a bid is withdrawn is beyond imagination. It could create a snowball effect and someone will end up screwed in all cases. So if someone is got to be screwed, it might as well be the one making the 'error' in the first place.

I can in fact DO see a usefull means for this idea, if we tweak it somehow:
bids can be withdrawn within 2 minutes after they have been placed, and only if there is still more then 20 minutes to go on the transfertime.
the reason why this should be possible is that someone might accidentally put 1 number too much, and only see it at the time his bid is already made. This is imo the only reason why a bid should be retracted and it is possible in 2 minutes notice, because it should be withdrawn immediatly, and not after some time.
However if this happens during the last minutes of a TL tranfer, possibly during a bidwar, this is a bad idea, bcause it will distrurb things. So that why it isn't possible the last 20 minutes. What to do if you accidentally typ a number to much in the last 20 minutes? bad luck, just don't.
this is the only usefull implementation that I see that might be considdered.

Agreed.
In fact, I think Warriors just did something like that, adding an extra number to Turiaf's contract proposal.

I can see something like if someome raises by more than say 20% and $20,000 that they might be able to do make a corrected bid, but not a complete withdrawal. Perhaps you could have 5 minutes to do that as long as there is more than an hour remaining. So at worst there is a short period in which a higher bid would show up and then be reduced.

And then perhaps in the last hour, limit raises to 20% or $20,000, so there is no need for correction. This would be a minor annoyance to someone who want to raise the price quicker.

or maybe like foxtrick handels it in HT, that you cann't raise with factor 10 ... So if you want bid 100.000$ on a player who stands at 1$ you ahd to first raise to 10.000$ and the bid 100.000$.

The bad think of withdrawal bids, is that they effekt other bids, and in most case works pretty bad in the last minutes of the auction(so it is forbidden in the must propose their when the proctetion is needed must because the most bids come)

That's a built in Hattrick function. At least I have it and I use IE.

oh in that case, we could do it like Ht :)

This would cause so many problems, I can't begin to list them all...

1. people placing huge bids on players to eliminate interest from the player, withdrawing the bid later and putting a much smaller bid on it.

2. people spending money from one of their "for sale" players, only to find out they didn't have that money.

3. people bidding on rival's players to eliminate interest and then just withdrawing bids to screw them over.

etc.

Steve

for number 1

i think its going to be added work for the BB, im sure anyone who did this would result into a ban as to prevent it!

for number 2

eventually they cant win the bid right?

for number 3

this is a bit complex, i think its best to have a way of checking this. or else its going to be another screw loose on the system of how we do things.,



actually by having withdrawal it gives a lot of loopholes to patch! and added work for gm's and bb's

Exactly...

Steve