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44843.10 in reply to 44843.7
Date: 8/15/2008 4:17:38 PM
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like you are suggesting that only players that are able to carry a team (almost) by them self to the playoffs. The consequense of this for most leagues wuld be that there are no worthy MVP players, but of course you might mean something else with the statement, even though I fail to see what you mean in that case.


Are you serious? Or are you just joking?

There is a huge difference between this; "A MVP should be able to carry his team to the playoffs" and this "There should only be a MVP if all players in the team except the MVP are terrible so that the team normally shouldn't be in the playoffs at all."


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44843.12 in reply to 44843.11
Date: 8/15/2008 4:36:34 PM
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MVP depends on team record and player stats. Not on whether the team is in the playoffs or not.


Yeah that's a great oneliner. But in many sports the MVP comes from teams who reach far in tournaments/off season.
Check out soccer for example. Van der Sar is probably (one of) the best goalkeepers in the world. He played perfect last EC. But who got the title of the best goalkeeper? Right Cassilas.
Why is that? Cassilas made 2 terrible mistake, 2 goals due to his mistakes. The Netherlands washed away Italy and France in the 1st and the 2nd game, with great soccer. 4th game, the quarter finals, they had a off-day, played terrible and were eliminated. Only Sneijder was in the EC2008 Dreamteam.

I believe i've never seen a MVP in the NBA from a non playoff team (i'm happy to see if anyone got one)

About the Big 8 Great 8 thing, good point, although you can only expect he would have been in the PO in the other conference, he might have finished 3rd there.

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44843.14 in reply to 44843.10
Date: 8/16/2008 1:16:01 AM
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like you are suggesting that only players that are able to carry a team (almost) by them self to the playoffs. The consequense of this for most leagues wuld be that there are no worthy MVP players, but of course you might mean something else with the statement, even though I fail to see what you mean in that case.


Are you serious? Or are you just joking?

There is a huge difference between this; "A MVP should be able to carry his team to the playoffs" and this "There should only be a MVP if all players in the team except the MVP are terrible so that the team normally shouldn't be in the playoffs at all."

Sorry I was a little bit unclear. I am not saying that "There should only be a MVP if all players in the team except the MVP are terrible so that the team normally shouldn't be in the playoffs at all" (and if you read my post again I am confident that you will see that I am not saying that).

I am saying that I have no sush star player in my team. There is actually non that is really more valuble than the rest of my team. I have chosen to build a pretty evenly matched team so saying that a player in my team is partuclary valuable is kind of rindiculous, and saying that he is the one that adds most value to any team in my league is definetely not right even though I won it.

The most valuebale player is the player that adds most value to his team, thus candidates are:

1) Someone that carries his team to the victory
2) Someone that carries his team to the playoff
3) Someone that carries his team to a position where they avoid relegation
4) The guy that improved his team record the most

In that order. If there is no player from cathegory 1) and 2) then 3) should win if available, because he has clearly added more value to his player then someone that "just" improved his teams record.

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44843.15 in reply to 44843.12
Date: 8/16/2008 1:23:54 AM
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He played perfect last EC. But who got the title of the best goalkeeper? Right Cassilas.
Beacuse Casillas was better. I admit that generally it gives an advantage to play in a winning team (and according to me many times too big advantage), but in this particular case Casillas was simply better.
I believe i've never seen a MVP in the NBA from a non playoff team (i'm happy to see if anyone got one)
Which makes sense to me. Because the NBA, as I mentioned earlier, is a closed league so the only real thing to value is if a team makes the playoffs (and advances there), while in open leagues it is also important to avoid relegation.

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44843.16 in reply to 44843.13
Date: 8/16/2008 1:27:30 AM
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The NBA seems to award the MVP to the best player on the best team in an overwhelming percentage of the cases. I am not sure I like that, although it will probably be extremely easy to code in BB
Yes, this seems to be the case currently, probably because this is the easiest choice to make (rather than the best). The problem for me is that the award becomes more of a team award rather than a player award.

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44843.17 in reply to 44843.3
Date: 8/16/2008 10:42:44 PM
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A MVP should be able to carry his team to the playoffs no matter how worse his team is imo.

Just like LeBron James did with the Cavs.

But he hasn't gotten an NBA MVP award. :)

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44843.18 in reply to 44843.17
Date: 8/18/2008 12:29:14 PM
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I dunno about you guys, but sometimes the player who gets M.V.P. is a washed up 29 y.o. who has a salary of 5-6k...

Doesn't seem right to me.

They also don't even have as great a season as an M.V.P. calibur player should have.

Last edited by Jenamen24 at 8/18/2008 12:31:27 PM

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44843.19 in reply to 44843.18
Date: 8/18/2008 12:38:05 PM
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I dunno about you guys, but sometimes the player who gets M.V.P. is a washed up 29 y.o. who has a salary of 5-6k...

Doesn't seem right to me.


If they have the best season, it deson't matter how old they are or what they get paid.

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44843.20 in reply to 44843.19
Date: 8/18/2008 12:40:02 PM
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I edited my message and said that they don't even have the best averages or anything like that in the league. Sure, if it was a 29 y.o. scoring 33 points and 20 rebounds per, i'd gladly give him the M.V.P. trophy.:P

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