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From: Pallu

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Date: 8/19/2008 10:23:10 AM
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No hard feelings, but we are at the case at hand.

I am far from criticising your management skills and I would probably not find a reason to do so. I have the same reasons for selling inside players by the way.

I simply disagree with your initial statements. Therefore I have said that I do not find the position of a D.I Team in a small country disadvantageous. I rather envy your situation. The points in my posts were naming some reasons why.

And sorry, but if you call 3.5 mio. miniscule you are simply ignoring the common team's financial structure. No matter what the transfer market says, in 08/2008 3.5 mio. is still a lot of money.

Edit: in brief, you have the advantages of being a D.I team at the cost of a low Division team. No disadvantage there...

Last edited by Pallu at 8/19/2008 10:26:23 AM

From: Sparkle

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Date: 8/19/2008 10:25:13 AM
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Again, no need for imagination here. I have the same wage bill to be competitive in D.II Germany but I have lesser income from PR and Arena (25% instead of 40% cut but less visitors/lower prices).


Your data from Div II Germany is inaccurate. Your lesser income from Arena is because most of you haven't expanded your arenas. You sellout most of the time, especially your luxury seats.

3.5M is not miniscule, but it is not part of my weekly income. It is unrelated and isanther topic altogether.

Last edited by Sparkle at 8/19/2008 10:28:25 AM

From: Pallu

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Date: 8/19/2008 10:29:00 AM
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I was looking at me, I have a 10k Arena, so I was only comparing price and fan interest (leverage). I think in any country more players attend D.I matches than D.II.

You are right that a lot of teams underrated arena size.


From: Sparkle

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Considering your negative budget, and with B3 taken out of the equation, I would say that should be pretty true.

From: Sparkle

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Date: 8/19/2008 10:33:06 AM
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We won't have accurate data until we hve some lower division teams that don't sell out their arenas in all 4 types of seats to ensure all fans allocated to the game attendance are accounted for. I'll try come up with some info on STH vs 'Income tax' between the divisions and perhaps we'll have a clearer picture.

Sorry guys, didn't mean to make this into a heated argument.

From: Pallu

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Date: 8/19/2008 10:37:35 AM
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Sorry guys, didn't mean to make this into a heated argument.


Same for me. It is an emotional issue. Money is short, that is making people nervous. Me at least...
;-)

From: brian

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Date: 8/19/2008 10:56:12 AM
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What fun is debating if it's not heated

The economic changes are pretty big, prob a majority of teams are shocked by the changes and it's difficult to put in perspective compared to other teams.

"Well, no ones gonna top that." - http://tinyurl.com/noigttt
From: Sparkle

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Date: 8/19/2008 11:34:54 AM
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Heh, if only we could take it down to the hoops instead of slugging it out on the forums when things boil over. :)

Agreed there. If we exclude transfer income and assume a mid-table team (Which means no B3) which finishes 5th so he/she has 3 weeks income-free, it is rather hard to see the nett revenue for the entire seaon. If at all.

From: Ragans

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Date: 8/19/2008 11:39:38 AM
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Why BB's are not just cutting 40% of attendance? because now at the prices that I had previous I have full stadium but money less....hard to understand this sitem...better would be just reduce attendance for 40% so I can easily follow my arena prices and attendance...now I dont know what to do...expand or rise prices...now I am trying to do both...

I hope you understood what I wanted to say....:D

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Date: 8/19/2008 12:08:30 PM
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Yeah but what part do you not understand?

If you would earn $100.000,- when your stadium is sold out, you will get $60.000,-

If your stadium is full, higher your prices or expand. A full stadium has nothing to do with the 40% which is donated to the players.

From: KifaH

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Date: 8/19/2008 4:59:15 PM
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I was complaining about changes for this season, but:

Yes it is true, that my income is lowered by 45% if I count also TV money.

On the other hand, season ticket holders and new fans mood formula compensate that.

I played home meatch after away loss and still 8836 spectators. It´s great, with this attendance I am +15 000$ this week.

So, It isn´t so bad as it looks before.

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