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52388.10 in reply to 52388.9
Date: 10/2/2008 11:29:39 AM
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i don't know if i like this idea
i fear giving different orders to all my players could change the gameplay towards the creation of monoskilled "soldiers"

as we all know, jason kapono is the best player to ever bless a basketball court — and that's just because his coach instructs him to only spot up and shoot the long range jumper. :)

if you're doing one thing over and over again, the defense will adapt and take it away quite soon. the key is — this would set a preferential behaviour in order to skew the player's behaviour toward a given pattern, far from making him a one trick pony.

So,I think that GE had to make these reflections about players characteristics;it's not so important put more and more other choices in to line up the formation.I agree with you that the range of possible tactics is too limited,and some new tactics had to be created,like a box and one defence

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52388.12 in reply to 52388.3
Date: 10/2/2008 4:09:19 PM
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So 10 000 options in setting tactics would be more fun that what we have now?


well, coaches think non-stop about plays to outplay the other team...

that's in one way you have to think about basketball... to outplay offense and defense... or else you'll lose...

i don't think also, that 10000 should be enough...Ü it's just that tactics are few... and if i may say... kinda tiring.

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52388.13 in reply to 52388.12
Date: 10/2/2008 4:15:20 PM
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For God's sake, I'm not claiming that the current option allows one to simulate a real coach. I mean, duh. And you're right, not even 10000 options would.

The point is that there wouldn't be much demand for, say, a game where you have to design your own neural network to simulate coach behaviour. And I expect those who did play it would complain it wasn't flexible enough anyway.

Last edited by Mod-oeuftete at 10/2/2008 4:15:43 PM

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52388.14 in reply to 52388.12
Date: 10/2/2008 5:31:36 PM
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but with individuell orders it is pretty hard to figure out, how the game works which is also important for an "rookie" that he stays at this game.

It is even not so easy to read the engine, but you could see effects in rating and could analys games with that. Even you could react in defense through open which got pretty hard, when he swithched his game play every 3 minutes because he substitutes a player.

So i thing, tactics with faocus like we ahve now a days are pretty good, and yeah they don't reflect the compete deep of basketball. but iw ould say that it is pretty hard to refelct more of it in this game, the problems of the box and one for example is that you just shot down star player(or maybe the guards in a triangle and 2), but what if when he doesn't play? In this case the coach switch the people who get man to man defense, and probadly this could be on a other position but here you cann#t impelnent such switch.

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52388.15 in reply to 52388.14
Date: 10/3/2008 3:24:22 AM
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There is 1 type of personalized instructions I would like to be able to use: A forced substitution when a player hits the "48min a week" mark, never to return on the court again (for that game anyway)!! :D

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52388.17 in reply to 52388.14
Date: 10/3/2008 9:49:38 AM
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So i thing, tactics with faocus like we ahve now a days are pretty good, and yeah they don't reflect the compete deep of basketball. but iw ould say that it is pretty hard to refelct more of it in this game, the problems of the box and one for example is that you just shot down star player(or maybe the guards in a triangle and 2), but what if when he doesn't play? In this case the coach switch the people who get man to man defense, and probadly this could be on a other position but here you cann#t impelnent such switch.

i don't look this as a problem...the box and one defence will be an indication to the coach to defence harder on a player who play in a determined spot,and the GE would change this spot indication into the game on the currently strongest adversary on the floor:for example in the starters the strongest player play in the SF spot,when the coache make platoon system and the strongest of the reserves is the player on the C spot,the box and one will be on this player...
and the box and one defence would lower evaluations in relationship to spot proximity;for example if i defence with box and one on the PG,SG and Sf evaluations had to lower more than Pf and C evaluations

Just my two cents :D

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52388.18 in reply to 52388.17
Date: 10/3/2008 9:58:54 AM
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and how the engine determes who the best player, how you could see the effctas in rating and the actual games(who is the one?) etc.

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52388.19 in reply to 52388.18
Date: 10/3/2008 10:19:53 AM
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There's a formlua in this game?well,the GE certainly knows who is his best player looking at its forumlua?how could see the effects in ratings could be not so difficult,except some particular situations,the adversay best player could play most of the time of the game

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52388.20 in reply to 52388.19
Date: 10/3/2008 11:01:34 AM
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The BB system is thinking for you when it decides for itself which player to focus on, you're not making any decision yourself anymore, which I don't like.

An order which I could feel positive towards though would be repositioning for rebounding: for each spot (pg, sg, sf, pg, c) deciding wether or not they go for the offensive/defensive rebound.

Rebounding
Offensive: (list of choices) always defensive transition / neutral / always go for the offensive rebound
Defensive: always go for the defensive rebound / neutral / always run for the fast break

Climbing the BB-mountain. Destination: the top.
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