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As a DII team I think the changes are simething that must happen.

But there's one thing I am not sure of.

Teams who get promoted this upcoming playoff to a higher devision will enjoy a money reward or not??

I was looking to promote to the EBBL this season after having a very good time of it. I was looking forward to being able to build up my stadium, save up some money for a big time star, the works. After these changes, I'm really not so sure I can afford it or want to afford it.

My arena turned over $197,000 tonight in my play-off game and can (under current prices) turn over a maximum of $240,000 if sold out. If I promote, I can't earn more than $144,000 from my arena compared to in the region of $150,000-180,000 if I stay put.

This puts my weekly income, before cup games, at a maximum of $179,000 in the top flight and from $185,000 in Div II, including the frankly pathetic $35,000 weekly TV money.

I'm wondering if it's worth it to promote. Unless the promotion cash bonus is sizeable - in the hundreds of thousands of dollars - I have no financial motivation to promote and it may be worth camping in my current division.

Now, if you tell me that from next season I'll be able to sell out a 10,500 seater every week in the top division with my current fanbase, I'll be partially mollified, and then exasperated since I'll have to add 3,000 seats just keep earning at my current rate in the EBBL. Yes, the revenue sharing will decrease over time, but next season will really hurt.

I changed my mind. A little bit.
(meh, post in BB-England after I ran through some figures).

I apreciate that BB tries to act asap when a pressing issue comes up,
BUT

I sure hope this is looked over more then a few times for the whole world.

I can only speak for Belgium, and maybe a few other teams which I saw buying very good players.
Most very good players I saw being bought where not only by division I teams. this means lower division teams can afford the best players in BB (and I don't mean the 10 best, but overall the better players on the TL) just as good as any division 1 team, maybe some even better.

If there is to much money comming in the game, and the free agents don't take enough out from teams rich enough to buy those, then I would think you should hit every division in the same way %-wise.
A div I team should be able to buy player which are unaccesible to divIII teams imo, and this clearly is not the case yet (maybe because the best players aren't that good yet). By hitting Div I hardest, Div I teams will not stay able to compete on the TL market to lower teams.

An other thing is that I had a long term vision by using my money solely on my stadion until I needed better players to be able to keep competing. If I see what teams will probably be in Div I in Belgium next year, I know I need a few new good players, however as it looks now, it would have been better that I already had bought 5 good players with my money, instead of spending it on my stadion, because my stadion will not get me the profit I was expecting and which would enable me to buy the players.
40% is a lot. it means that my stadion of 17500 (in 3 days) will get me the profits of a stadion of 10000 next year, which is less than what I started this season with, while the money I started the season with, was slightly higher then what I have now. So after a season I start with a smaller stadion, and less money, so basically I lost money this season instead of making a profit.
If BB cuts TV money to about 1/3 and our revenue by 40%, I'm positive Div I teams indeed will not make profit anymore, and will only be able to train their players, while lower divisions can train at the same speed, and add some extra profit they make from the games to end up with more money to spend on the better players. I might be wrong, and I hope I am.

It is possible that OLDER teams who are in Div I have a prety big fanbase (season ticket holders), and indeed make a lot of money, but then you should look into solving that, and not hit every DivI team around.

I am afraid in some countries (maybe not Belgium, maybe Belgium included) DivI teams will demote next season, or a few seasons afterwards, because they can't compete with DivII and DivIII teams, while actually putting the same effort, and playing with the same smartness into their play, and I can't imagine that is what BB wants. I think the lower division teams must get a chance to climb if they actually outsmart the other players, but a DivI team should also be able to stay put if his play isn't inferior to his rivals.

I know it must be tremedously difficult to solve this pressing issue in a timely and correct manner, and I trust BB's do the best they can to do this. All I can do is give my (maybe a little to spontaneous) reaction and thoughts on the matter.
If all things brought forward here are already thought about and form no problem I am a very happy person, if not I hope it might help somehow so it can still be looked at.

im waiting next 2 weeks and certainly more to see the real impact of this change,instead of thinking about the goal i see lkie it was said a real advantage for those who capitalize for seasons
,after a big change in training speed which has already made a loss of balance in skills and depth roster,
day trading tax which just brake a consequence of first point
now tax on divisions can compell somes teams to sell some players in future but not really break advantages we ll se

As I would like to think I played a small role in causing the "Törööö tax" (I really had no idea that I made $8.2 million this year), I think this solution may be too harsh on the middle and lower DI teams. Using economic theory, it is always best to follow the less intrusive manner - which in this case, may very well be to impose a graduated tax on profits. With the big concern being the large increase in money supply through excess income, it's clear incomes need to be reduced. However, the implementation of a flat tax is quite inequitable (though I suppose more equitable than a head tax). Targeting the big gainers will not stifle the lower and middle DI teams (nor dissuade lower divisions teams from wanting to promote), and teams like mine could put up with it for the short term. Otherwise, unless I experience an unexpected loss (or a tough draw like the Drunkers, Sculpins or KDB) early in the cup or BB3, these changes will not effect my team nearly as much as most of my competitors - assuming that the compensation for cup and BB3 games is comparable to last season.

Obviously, this would be much less advantageous for my team, but I would like to see the game continue to grow.

Economics major?

This is exactly what I see as the main potential problem. The changes seem to primarily affect the middle to lower end division I teams. Top teams will not feel it as much, and lower division teams might barely feel a pinch at all.

What about the top teams that don't hoard money? Those not in mature leagues with big arenas? I guess those countries will just have to suck it up and not be able to compete for however long it is until you decide to end the communist regime and "... the gate money will return to being 100% given to the clubs."

i'd like to know how it's possible that a D.I team from a not mature league is NOT making money... you have the same income of the italian (just to make an example) D.I teams and way lower wages0
seriously, i'm a D.IV team and my economy is ok. and my wages are only15k/week lower than yours

i think the real problem with the amount of money currently in BB economy comes from the dozens of little states with a top league and nothing else

He is refering to Division I teams that do not have large arenas and depend on TV money. Other than tv money and larger arenas how is it that he would make so much more money than you? That is his point - if there is no advantage in TV money and he has the same a rean that a lower division team has then he is going to have a great deal of trouble under the new changes.

He never suggested that there are Div ! teams not currently making money, he suggested that there are Div I teams that may be in trouble when the changes take effect.