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We lack important information about boycott (amount of funds related to % decrease). And what about the third game to win ? Will it have impact on the next season ?

Good, perhaps you will more success than I had in asking this. It's impossible to make rational decisions without some more detail (or examples).

The other thing about the boycott which makes no sense, the way they planned it, is that in the last 3rd of the season this rule probably will have no effect anyway. Say you go W/LL/LL/LL/ WL/LL/LL/L/L L/LL/LL/LL (/ is the financial update) then you won 1 game in the first 3rd, one in the interconference so the boycott should not kick in. After that you need to win one game in the last 3rd of the season, but it doesn't say when which means it probably kicks in on the very last game when you lose the 14th in a row...

Last edited by Lemonshine at 12/12/2016 4:51:34 PM

My main problem with the boycott is that the way it's implemented is going to hit also teams who are just trying to train players and don't manage to get the wins because of it. If training is king and you want to incentivise training, do you really want to punish someone who can't win (maybe by a few points) because he simply wants to train?

If I was a relatively new user in my third season still getting to know the game and coming from a rather underwhelming season where I kept building my arena, I read that news and I'd think "oh s**t, I'd better rush and buy players to win 3-4 games, rather than training or building my arena". The way it's been presented it's unclear whether it's better to pay for the extra player(s) or to suffer the drop in gate receipts.

Last edited by Lemonshine at 12/12/2016 5:12:01 PM

We 'assume' so and it may well be the case (I hope), but this isn't something that can be checked as easily as the player's salaries.

All we know for sure (based on Marin's announcement) is 0 balance or negative = -0% impact and 25 million balance = -50%. That's it. There is a chance that this boycott change either amounts to nothing or breaks also normal teams who just can't compete depending on how you go from 0% to -50%. If it's linear that would mean you lose -10% at 5 million, -20% at 10 million etc, but not many things are linear in the game and I wouldn't expect this to be either

Not just 1 or sitting on their hands altogether.

I dissagree, when a game has a dwindling user base and then said game starts talking about plans for 1 year away(3 seasons)is not a good thing. They should merge the micros next season, forget about this season 39/40 talk. This game might not be around a year from now.

When did I say I agree with with doing something a year from now?

All I said was at least they aren't making zero changes. They are actively trying to change things up and make the game better. What and how that is done is obviously a huge point of discussion!

For example: I'm not a huge fan of raising the salary floor. For 11 of the 14 weeks last season I was under the salary floor, yet I managed 3rd place in my conference and won a playoff game. Oh, and made semi finals of cup.

Why should I be punished for this by BB eating into my bottom line?

Is the boycott not a strong enough measure? Punish tanking teams that are actually tanking, not competitive teams who do so by saving money where they know how to.

Last edited by U21 CAN Cletus at 12/13/2016 5:01:08 AM

When did I say I agree with with doing something a year from now?

All I said was at least they aren't making zero changes. They are actively trying to change things up and make the game better. What and how that is done is obviously a huge point of discussion!

For example: I'm not a huge fan of raising the salary floor. For 11 of the 14 weeks last season I was under the salary floor, yet I managed 3rd place in my conference and won a playoff game.

Why should I be punished for this by BB eating into my bottom line?

Is the boycott not a strong enough measure? Punish tanking teams that are actually tanking, not competitive teams who do so by saving money where they know how to.

Your team is a good example on how broken the BB economy already is.
Some saisons ago top teams in my league had a team salary of 1M, TV contract was 240k and average income was close to zero. Now, you are set for PO with 600k salary, TV was 193k last saison, average income 180K and teams below salary floor could avoid relegation (Germany is a larger mid-sized nation, not some micronation where this is normal).
From a S20 point of view almost ALL TEAMS in Germany are tanking now and since all teams are tanking you can still play competitive with very low salary teams.

This is a direct reaction on rising player transfer prices aka inflation. If you need more money to replace a player you cut costs to save more. Higher weekly income for all teams means higher influx of money into the economy. More money in the economy while available player numbers stagnate or shrink means higher prices. Higher prices will result in managers cutting more cost...etc. vicious circle.

I fully agree with Knecht that BB is tumbling towards hyperinflation and 13M for 124 TSP sales we see theses days will be normal in a few saisons if nothing is done to prevent that. The current announcements will in my opinion result in the opposite as i estimate that the boycott and salary floor measures will be overcompensated by the additional promotion boni.

Just a general question: who decides the changes that find their way into the game?

Is it Marin and some grey eminence in the background, do the (E)GMs have a word in this?

I agree!!! I too was right at the floor last season and got lucky that my trainee's salaries went up enough to put me right at the floor again this season. Nice post!!!

Salary: Are there any informations yet which B-skills have been made more revelant for the salary calculation? The way I read EGM-Fotos posts it sound as if mainly OD, PA for Bigmen and IS for Guards and SFs have been taken into account. If somebody has made some analysis on this I would be very interested in it.

C low OD, high PA, High 1on1skills, medium Range
salary was $ 85 377 before and is at $ 85 004 now.

PF with very high OD, high 1on1 Skills, medium JR, highPA
had a salary raise from $ 64 108 to $ 66 239. but he also popped in JS


Guard without PA and Range, very high OD and High IS (cookiecutter-LI guard)
from 18,4k to 19,8k

Guard with some PA, low Range, good OD and high IS
from 25,4k to 28,8k

So from my perspective it seems as if the right players very targeted with the salary raise. I also think that is not to brutal right now.

I think if OD Training for Bigs and IS Training for Guards are made a bit less attractive, it also results in more enjoyable training. We would just forgo training out of position eventually. I probably would because out of position Training ist just annoying.

Promotion/demotion: I am not really decided on this. I like a little bit more shuffling in the leagues, but it seems weird to promote while loosing the finals. It takes away the competitiveness a little bit. Why do we have PO after all. Just let the first two teams advance...

boycott: this seems weird. It would make more sense if the fans would boycott a team if it loses in a blowout more than 75% (f.e.) games of the season.

Last edited by jonte at 12/13/2016 7:57:33 AM