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nice you have taken an italian example as my last irl name is an italian one ;-)

I must admit I do not see the problem..
I think we're mixing up two things:
- the databases with different types of names: french ones, flemish ones, german, italian, arab, west-african, east african, .... names. (this is the list we're talking about in this topic)
- the belgium list used for namegiving for our newly created players. This list contents as wel french, flemish, arab, dutch, english, Greec, Italian (yes: Elio and Enzo included....), turkish,.....names, and these names all mixed up in a certain percentage based on internet info.

I wasn't there when these rules were implemented so I didn't folowed eventually discussions about this. But thinking somewhat further on:
- if we have f.i. a name list of first names starting with E, and we have to add 2 italian names in a list of 100. Which italian name should we choose: Enrico, Eugenio, Elio, Enzo, Ettore, Emilio, Eusebio, Ernesto, Ezio, Edgardo, Ermano,... or still another? don't forget we can use in this example only two names in order to keep the balance. Therefore a list with italians names is very usefull, as names can be altered and every name gets his chance (some note: some frequent used names are encoded in these lists twice or more)
- lists can be adapted to the actual situations in namegiving

ok, I tried to explain.
Angi tried to explain.

you just don't read what we write. So I'm done discussing this.

if the French have put Italian and Hongarian names in the French database, that is a mistake they have made.
We will not drown ourselfs because other did it before us.

If you have no clue how the BBs intented and have programmed the game and their databases, and you refuse to read, or understand the posts explaining it all, then it is worthless continuing on this subject.

I also deleted a post of yours because it was not following the forum rules.

I started this thread as a gift to the Belgian community, so they could contribute, and even more, because it gave them a nice opportunity to add something personal to the game.
If this topic proves to become a point of discussion, where people try to get names added that don't belong there, then it will be closed, and we will maintain the databases as it started out: only by LA's

Thanks for understanding, and everyone please read the start of the topic before adding more rubbish.
Thank you all.

Oneil is a name that belongs to USA, not to Ireland. The Irish version of it is O'Neill.

What you are taking as example are names of people who went from Ireland to the USA hundred or more years ago, what we are talking about are immigrants who are only 30 years or less in Belgium.

The same with the French immigrants in Canada, they became a independent nation/people. Unless you say the e.g. almost all the British immigrants live in one part of our country, with Englisch as official language, then you can say, hmm okay let's add some of the British names to our database.

Last edited by !ngkor at 9/26/2012 3:01:35 PM

... or how to make an elephant out of a mouse...

Really, what are we talking about here?
Naming of new players in a online game is not 100% accurate?
Let's make a big fuss out of this...

I feel it's more a discussion for the sake of having a discussion rather than the content of the discussion itself.

99,9% of all managers are quite happy with the way things are going right now if it comes to naming new players and appreciate the fact we can add names through this forum thread.

My 2 cents

@polle THANK YOU Finally someone who is brave enough to say that this debate is bullshit.


@Thelonious, Ok let's finish this in a few more posts, because I am wondering if you are just doing this because you don't have anything else better to do.

1: What is your complaint?
2: Why is this bugging you?
3: What is your goal by starting this debate?
4: And if you think it is wrong, what is your solution?


Answer those correctly and not by relating to the real Belgium and how unreal this situation is, this is a simulation game, not the real world, many BB-players forget that.

Ok, time to get involved in this Debate:

1) names are part of the community, so i understand some people find them more important that others. Everyone finds certain details important, for some of them names are important. However, it isn't because a minority finds this important, that this debate should be dismissed as bullshit, unimportant or whatever you want to call it.

2) This is a managers game, a simulation game. But i think we all can understand that BB-staff have some more important issues to solve. I think many underestimate the amount of time GM's, LA's and Mod's invest in this game ( not to mention BB's too). Going thru that name list each season isn't doable. And the selection process isn't something LA's or GM's can change.

I've just looked at the list for the first time even tho i've been an LA for quite a while now. So To Thelo: The system is complex. Going thru the names is going to take A LOT of time. In the past, LoD has done that job, but since he isn't eternal, it might be time for one of the younger GM's to go thru it. I'll talk about it with LoD and see if i can come up with something, but you can't just erase it and replace it with another list. If any changes need to be made, it has to be manually. There are 3057 first names, and 13683 last names.

Going thru them is going to be a pain, not to mention that a lot of time will be lost. However, Thelonious isn't the first to voice that our name base is a bitt outdated. To me, it's something of priorities. Catching Cheaters, approving new managers and keeping taps on forums have been among my recent priorities on BB since become a GM. I didn't mind how a player was called before.

Anyhow, i haven't ever added a name to that list, nor have i edited one, so i'm first going to consulte with LoD about it. However, i should tell you Thelonious that i do dislike your tone to which you adress some other managers around here. I won't deny that !ngkor is wrong as dismissing this as bullshit, because it matters to some, but saying it misses integrity is nearly accusing the LA's ( and GM's) of being lazy and uncooperative, something which we aren't. We work hard to make this game enjoyable for as many as managers as possible. In that sense, the names that come forth should maybe be important, but you should understand that most of the BB staff have other priorities.

All you are getting from me is my word that i'll have a chat with LoD, to figure out in more detail how the name database works. If i deem it a possible effort, then i'll put my time into it to try and sort it out, while removing the old names. However, if it becomes crystal clear to me that it will take several full day's to completely get it up to date, then i'll postpone the work to a later time because as you well know, GM's have many duties and i'm not going to neglect those just because of a database that isn't up to date. That database won't run away and won't harm anyone, where as some other things could.

Last but not least, i'm going to warn you that if you keep up that tone of yours, then i will not hesitate to use my famous "GM" buttons. That name list is the work of all the LA's and GM's Belgium has had since the start of this game. A lot of time has gone into it already, and saying that it lacks integrity is the same as saying that the current LA's as well those who came before them, have done a horrible job and are just damn lazy. Show some respect for the amount of work they have done! you are a great guy to chat with, but i seriously dislike the tone your posts are starting to get in this topic. If you are respectful to others, then they'll be respectful to you. Please keep that in mind before making your next post here. I'd hate to have to use my GM-buttons on a good conversation partner

regards

R~