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125704.102 in reply to 125704.101
Date: 1/2/2010 3:41:27 PM
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Everything well said, but u miss something. The highest skill that a new player can have is respectable. Skills that u can find both on scoring/SB on the lower divisions. Why then we dont get any good feedback from those managers about SB? I used to be there too, as thousand ppl that arguing about SB.


You should start looking at the division where most of the players who engange in this discussions are playing.

Those that doesnt posting here doesnt mean that they dont giving us any feedback.

Why isnt the same painful for guard trainers to train the 2ndaries of there guards? Why guards can get trained on 7 skills without change there positions and the big men only 4? That makes easy to have a great guard with 40-60k (Allstar), but my C trainee with the same potential needs just 3 pop ups to max out. That makes the- worth to train- big men even more rare, and if u consider that big men actually really needs those 2ndaries, way more expensive.


It is the same pain. Playing your C as PF is similar to play a PG as SG or viceversa. If you are talking about the pain that might be train IS or ID to a PG, it is similar to the pain of training OD and JR to a C.
No its not. I havent see anywhere that inside skills are so important for the G's. Anyway G's have 7 skills to train instead of big men that we have only 4

Why u cant see that? Its not ideal world and everybody wants to win as fast as he can. With that way u r giving us just 1 way to do it.

What i am asking its just equal chances. Nothing more nothing less.

Plz dont ignore me and try to give a clear answer on my points.


I'm not sure if there is a lot of people thinking that training inside players is worse than outside ones. What many people already knows is that the market does have more Inside players than outside ones, this is main reason about why they are more expensive.

We can start a speculative and not very useful conversation about why are we seeing this diference. Instead, I would say that something like: People do not think that training outside players is better than inside ones. If they really believed, we will be seeing a lot more PG and SG in the market.


Well training big men is faster, just 3-4 skills. Thats an eye poping dont u think? Also having u r national coach to push u to create a monster is an issue too.

Last edited by JohnnyB at 1/2/2010 3:53:43 PM

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125704.103 in reply to 125704.100
Date: 1/2/2010 4:10:45 PM
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Everything well said, but u miss something. The highest skill that a new player can have is respectable. Skills that u can find both on scoring/SB on the lower divisions. Why then we dont get any good feedback from those managers about SB? I used to be there too, as thousand ppl that arguing about SB.

Plz dont ignore me and try to give a clear answer on my points.


Sorry for just answering your first point.
I am from a low league and from what I've seen SB is a pretty valueable skill. In my opinion it is amazing how people in this thread tend to ignore the advice from the BBs. They have the insight and if they say SB is a skill to have, why ignore it? I discussed a match in the 'OMG why did I lose...' thread not so long ago. There one was complaining about his defeat while the other team made 17 visible blocks. I am convinced that this won the game and we are playing in a very Shot Blocking eluded world.

Cheers, Exos

p.s. although I find that 'X rotates over to help defend the play' not really SB related as well. But now I know


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Ok my question. Do u rate SB higher than ID? considering the salary? Thats the argument. What SB is giving us extra compared to the same salary ID? Lets say that u r training an Allstar C, what would u chose to train? U have only 4 options. See now the problem? 65k salary C its not something great reather average. 65k G can be real good to great player. Why? couz u can train 7 skills all worth it, and the alone debatable very cheap (driving)

Edit:Still wonder, if big men have to block shots why g doesnt have to steal the ball and train to?


Last edited by JohnnyB at 1/2/2010 4:27:23 PM

From: ned

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Date: 1/2/2010 4:35:11 PM
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Exos I can understand your point but even if I change completely my idea about SB, considered that players are trainable for 6 seasons, you will prefer to have a center wth lvl 15 in IS, ID and rebound or having a center with lvl 12 in IS, ID, REB and SB? Probably (but I'm not sure) SB is not completely useless but then the question is: the time spent training SB could be better invested training other skills?

Last edited by ned at 1/2/2010 4:36:13 PM

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Date: 1/2/2010 4:56:47 PM
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Anyway G's have 7 skills to train instead of big men that we have only 4


Let's see:
SB as center
ID as center
Rebound as C/PF
IS as center
Driving/handling as PF
JS as PF


Am I the only one to count 7 skills for big men too???Or playing your C as a PF is considered out of position whereas playing your SG as PG to traing outside defense isn't...

Just stop man..

Last edited by JamesBond at 1/2/2010 4:57:23 PM

I want what all men want...I just want it more.
From: ned

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Date: 1/2/2010 5:00:04 PM
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PF is completely another matter, C must have IS, ID and rebound, try to see the skills of the centers in the national teams

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Date: 1/2/2010 5:06:55 PM
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So when you are training your C you can't just play him as a PF to train his JS or DR or HD???

I want what all men want...I just want it more.
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Date: 1/2/2010 5:12:32 PM
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no, I'm training PF and SF not centers, I don't waste time training a pure center in js, dr, ecc... Today I trained my PF and he played in playmaker position, my center is 25yo not trainable anymore and even if I prefer to chose a center with secondary skills big monsters with 300k/week salary shows that a center can play quit well even without secondary skills

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125704.110 in reply to 125704.106
Date: 1/2/2010 5:13:34 PM
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If u r training 2 positions then 1 of u r big men has to play SF. U cant train 1 position PF.Try to do it with C having 1-2 OD. Good luck with it. Indeed sometimes mouth is running faster than the brain

From: JamesBond

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Date: 1/2/2010 5:14:18 PM
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See what I was quoting at please..I just showed 7 skills that a C can be easily trained at as a response to Jonny's complaints...

I want what all men want...I just want it more.
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Date: 1/2/2010 5:16:35 PM
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Again try to put u r C as SF having 1-2 OD. Tell me the results after

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