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Good question. I play push the ball a decent amount with my club team. I play it when the players I have in good GS don't really play either an inside or outside offense real well. This happens a lot.

Rambo got vilified for playing PTB in the America's semi against Argentina. I think we blanked a lot of it, and the GE went with a lineup of 8PA at PG, 4PA and 3PA at SF. I think that was more of the problem than the PTB choice. I don't know how many offenses you can effectively run against proficient OD ratings with that kind of passing.

In my view, inside/Outside oriented offenses work better against M2M than PTB does, and the U21 team will have enough depth to have enough players who are tailored to specific offenses. It'll really all depend on the players.

I like RNG better than motion for U21. I think that motion requires more passing, and can be more effective if we have the requisite passing. But we won't. It's U21, not the NT. Players can't train every thing, the best JS/JR players are going to be a little short in DR/PA.

I think you still need to differentiate between the NT and U21 levels in this argument. Maples is irrelevant to the conversation.

The thing about training a U21 player that everyone neglects, is not the salary, but the results of the team. Were Terrance Hammond and Mike Merrill and Jimmie Brown expensive for the teams? Absolutely. Are they even more expensive and probably overpriced now. Hard to argue that!

But lets take a look at how their owners fared in each of those players 20 year old season:

Terrance Hammond: In season 16, Newmarket West Siders were crowned champions of league Canada III.11
Mike Merrill: In season 16, Hamstar Hoopers were crowned champions of league USA IV.47
Jimmie Brown: In season 16, West Lawn Mowers were crowned champions of league USA IV.61

That is not a coincidence I will assure you.

Rambo got vilified for playing PTB in the America's semi against Argentina.

Hey I won that game though!!

Maples is irrelevant to the conversation.

Could you explain the difference between the NBBA and Maples, and D.III and Merrill? I don't see it.

Are they even more expensive and probably overpriced now. Hard to argue that!

How are overpriced players good for club teams?

But lets take a look at how their owners fared in each of those players 20 year old season:

Terrance Hammond: In season 16, Newmarket West Siders were crowned champions of league Canada III.11
Mike Merrill: In season 16, Hamstar Hoopers were crowned champions of league USA IV.47
Jimmie Brown: In season 16, West Lawn Mowers were crowned champions of league USA IV.61

This isn't what I'm talking about. Those are their 20 year old seasons. These guys start that 20 year old season at 13/13/13, and end it at 15/15/15, but only pay the 13/13/13 (40k-60k) salaries. That is for sure, without a doubt, a good thing for any club team. No way i'll disagree with you there.

What I've been trying to convey all along is that stopping at 14/14/14 or 15/15/15 is better for club teams than pressing on to 17/17/17. You've shown examples of how 14/14/14 and 15/15/15 bigs led their teams to promotion. 15/15/15 is fine for club teams. I'm saying that those extra pops to 17/16/17 are crucial for the U21, and devastating for club teams.

If I'm still unclear, maybe we can discuss this further.

Hey I won that game though!!

I was defending you! I've never seen so many people complain about an America's semi win...

It's probably best we take this discussion to bb-mail or the offsite. It has very little to do with actually determining who the best candidate is for the U21 coach. I'd prefer not to get wrapped up in this discussion when I have a ton of other questions to answer. It's pretty clear we each have our own thoughts on this. I'll bb-mail you with a response. If you prefer I respond here, let me know.

Maples is irrelevant to the conversation.

Could you explain the difference between the NBBA and Maples, and D.III and Merrill? I don't see it.

Maples is the most expensive player in the US and worth probably 1/2 what Merrill is?
Maples is training very slowly while Merrill was popping very quickly.

Anyways, I think the details of this matter are spiraling away from whats important in the election. You've already stated we need the best players with the best primaries and I agree wholeheartedly, as does Coco. We also need some niche and role players but they're what fills in the cracks not what forms the team.

The matter of the salaries is something we can all agree to disagree on.

GODBEAR

Then, d.III managers shouldn't train Hammond-esque bigs. It seems truly obvious...

I didn't get this memo. Thank go Hamstar didn't either.
And I know you are not serious Coco. I should point that out since you scare me and I don't want to get yelled at.

Last edited by oriolekid at 11/3/2011 7:02:32 PM