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271948.102 in reply to 271948.101
Date: 8/7/2015 10:22:44 AM
Greensboro Generals
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I can bring these divergent factions together. Give me the keys.

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271948.103 in reply to 271948.102
Date: 8/7/2015 10:39:14 AM
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Collectively, we need to stop letting the offsite blind everyone with their pleas of relevance. We need to focus on the results.

We did not even win the Americas tournament under phyr. This is not acceptable. As Americans we can not justify this lack of success for any reason.

GOLDBEAR is ready to extinguish this U21 dumpster phyr and bring home the GOLD.

Last edited by GOLDMEMBEAR at 8/7/2015 10:39:37 AM

From: Phyr

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271948.105 in reply to 271948.102
Date: 8/7/2015 10:48:07 AM
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I just want to say that if I do win, I hope you stay around. My style as manager is one that I like to hear from everyone. There are alot of diverse viewpoints on the offsite and hearing all of those viewpoints make me a better manager.

My posts yesterday were meant to show holes in your and our opponents logic that I should be judged based on one game. Making the NBBA is an accomplishment, and you should be proud of that accomplishment. I don't believe that you should be judged just on the relegation series. I hope the voters pick their manager based on the totality of their accomplishments/efforts and not on just one game.

If you win, I will help you in any way I possibly can because in the end I care more about the U21/NT then my own successes as a manager. GL.

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271948.106 in reply to 271948.105
Date: 8/7/2015 10:56:21 AM
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I've got to respect this. You undoubtedly were a major help the string of American victories before your term. And your promise to finish scouting when you lose is going to prove beneficial. However this is a results based position, and we need to look in a different direction for the chairman.

We need to bring the GOLD back to America. GOLDBEAR is ready for the challenge.

I would like to stress that being an offsite member will not automatically disqualify an individual from a position in my administration. In the end I want to make this more about results, and less about +1 balls and handies.

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271948.107 in reply to 271948.99
Date: 8/7/2015 11:00:22 AM
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First a general comment - thanks to everyone who has agreed to run. Very much appreciate the time you all take to answer questions on this forum. I enjoyed reading through the Q&A so far and I hope it becomes a little less combative and more productive going forward.

GOLDBEAR and Thegame187 (and anyone else running for that matter):

I trained/own Rosendo Touza (33457004), one of the players that played on a regular basis on the USA U21 team the last two seasons. When Phyr requested certain training changes (i.e. change to game shape for semis and finals; focus on some guard skills to make him a better outside PF in his early years, etc.), I gladly went along with it. A large reason I did so was because I felt like I was part of the team during the run to the finals and was more than happy to help out the team even if it didn't exactly go along with my team's training plan. This leads to a two part question: If you won't keep the conversation going on the off-site, how will encourage/motivate managers such as me to be part of the team and willing to make certain training and other short-term changes at the expense of our club teams if we don't have an on-going U21 NT conversation? In the alternative, if you will keep the conversation going on the off-site, will you change the process at all?

A second semi-unrelated question, will you change the scouting process? Phyr reached out to me on a semi-regular basis to get updates and provide training advice. Would you continue to do that and/or change that process?

Phyr

A possibly simple question, but likely more complex: Where do we go from here? I do agree you overachieved getting to the finals with the team you had, and I think the conversation right now would be vastly different if we ended up not making the final four (which I won't lie, many of us though was going to be the case). Where does the fault for the lack of quality players lie and how do we try to get the USA team back to gold?

Thanks, all.

Last edited by squeakrico7 at 8/7/2015 11:01:34 AM

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271948.108 in reply to 271948.12
Date: 8/7/2015 12:05:36 PM
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Late to this thread.

Someone give me some questions. I'm trying to steal souls.

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271948.109 in reply to 271948.108
Date: 8/7/2015 12:18:14 PM
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I just would like to know which of you, if any, would be willing to add the two youngsters I bought yesterday to the team. They're not technically American as of yet, and I'm not training them as you typically would for U21 play anyway, but if you're the type of manager who'd let those things stop you from trying to buy my vote I'm not sure I'm ready to vote for you anyhow.

From: oriolekid

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271948.110 in reply to 271948.57
Date: 8/7/2015 12:22:04 PM
LionPride
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Took you 15 seasons to make DII. I did it in 9.


That means absolutely nothing. Are you going to say I'm any less of a manager for sacrificing almost ten seasons of my team in order to train U21/NT guys? Some, like Jfarb made it to the NBBA after only 5 seasons. Managers have different strategies, and different goals. Some are ambitious and win at all costs, and some like to train at the expense of competitiveness, with everyone in between.

From: Phyr

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271948.111 in reply to 271948.110
Date: 8/7/2015 12:26:45 PM
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You are 100% correct.

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271948.112 in reply to 271948.109
Date: 8/7/2015 12:29:33 PM
LionPride
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Nico-Jan Schur for schur!

If you're telling me I can have a 6'8'' German point-foward as the face of the American U21 team than I'd top Jelme as the worst U21 manager ever.

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