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I see.

But I don't see there was a problem then. (EDIT: with the arena sizes , I meant problem with arena sizes)

The expansion of arena's may be unlimmited (each user decides if he wants to grow it or not), yet the amount of spectators is an other thing.

If up to now the amount of spectators was dependant on the arenasize, you are right in changing it, because it shouldn't.
Amount of spectators should be the same no matter what the size of the arena, only depending on the league one is in, their ticket prices, the PR guy and their successes. If then the arena is to small, it will sell out mostly, if to big, it will never sell out. If to small and too much money was put in players and now they have too high wages and arena income isn't sufficient, there has been a managemental mistake, and the maker of the mistake should feel the consequenses.

That some managers decide to invest most of their money in players, and just a small fraction in everything else, should not be a dureable strategy, because the game holds more facets then just players and playing. And the way I read it now, seems that just a minimal investment in arena would be sufficient, there will be no need anymore to create a balanced financial plan.
The ones who do not put much money in players, and don't need much to maintain them, will get less revenue, while the ones investing a lot in players, and paying high wages, will get more revenue.


I know how much time and effort you guys put in to finding solutions, and I don't want to just break it down. I just wonder if there isn't any other solution which will have the same result you guys are looking for, which , in the better case, might increase the experience?


It also doesn't matter if we can sell part of the arena and get the money back. It's not about the money. It's about the gaming experience. It's like someone already stated. Do we want the arena expansion button to stay untouched, just like a few other buttons already? I think it is part of the game, part of the fun that is going to be burried here...
As I already stated I will not break down my arena, and my planned project is still up and running. The money doesn't interest me.
So if everyone excuses me now, I have to place an other order for arenaseats. ;)


Last edited by Lord of Doom at 6/7/2009 5:29:11 AM

Many users in Lithuania aren't happy about new game engine..And i don't like it too.The first round results in the league were crazy..Why now when defending in zone, guards defending centers or centers defending guards?? that is insane..I think after this change, 1x1 defensive tactics is the best..Now even if you know that your opponet will use "Look inside" it's no point to defend in 2-3 zone, because your Point guards will defend opposing teams centers? I wouldn't be unlucky if that would happen rearly - 2-3 times per game, but now it happens all day long..And this has no point..
Another one thing is about some insane results of the quarters.. Look at this game in Latvia. (13411720) Team "Laachi" had better tactics in this game, and this team leaded at half time 70:39. After 3 quarters result almost didn't changed - 91:64. But what happened in last quarter?? Team "CC13" started insane comeback, they won last quarter 42:15 and it was overtime! In overtime "CC13" won the game even with wurther tactics..And i believe it's not the only one example..
Rebounds got insane now too..Some players has insane number of rebounds in the game..Look at this game (13273402), 2 players in the same team had a rebound number +30..Where have you seen it in real life? :)
And believe me i'm not the only one player of this manager who isn't happy about new game engine..And i write this post to let all of you know what we thinking..And i would like to have an explanation about that defense and about those insane quarters..
P.S Sorry for bad english :)

I see.

But I don't see there was a problem then. (EDIT: with the arena sizes , I meant problem with arena sizes)

The expansion of arena's may be unlimmited (each user decides if he wants to grow it or not), yet the amount of spectators is an other thing.

If up to now the amount of spectators was dependant on the arenasize, you are right in changing it, because it shouldn't.
Amount of spectators should be the same no matter what the size of the arena, only depending on the league one is in, their ticket prices, the PR guy and their successes. If then the arena is to small, it will sell out mostly, if to big, it will never sell out. If to small and too much money was put in players and now they have too high wages and arena income isn't sufficient, there has been a managemental mistake, and the maker of the mistake should feel the consequenses.

That some managers decide to invest most of their money in players, and just a small fraction in everything else, should not be a dureable strategy, because the game holds more facets then just players and playing. And the way I read it now, seems that just a minimal investment in arena would be sufficient, there will be no need anymore to create a balanced financial plan.
The ones who do not put much money in players, and don't need much to maintain them, will get less revenue, while the ones investing a lot in players, and paying high wages, will get more revenue.


I know how much time and effort you guys put in to finding solutions, and I don't want to just break it down. I just wonder if there isn't any other solution which will have the same result you guys are looking for, which , in the better case, might increase the experience?


It also doesn't matter if we can sell part of the arena and get the money back. It's not about the money. It's about the gaming experience. It's like someone already stated. Do we want the arena expansion button to stay untouched, just like a few other buttons already? I think it is part of the game, part of the fun that is going to be burried here...
As I already stated I will not break down my arena, and my planned project is still up and running. The money doesn't interest me.
So if everyone excuses me now, I have to place an other order for arenaseats. ;)

I got to say i agree with this.

A lot of top teams i think have played follow the leader when we've seen other teams arenas expanding.

If someone builds to find their Season Ticket Holders cant fill up the stadium who's fault is that... its greed.. the same as buying 1 too many players... thats a decision the manager has to live by.

Seems that it would be simply to just adjust the maximum amount of fans that can ever attend a game irrespective of how cheap you price your tickets. This way going from 35,000 - 40,000 could just be a total waste of money and thats a decision you just have to live with.

don't sorry, be happy

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If someone builds to find their Season Ticket Holders cant fill up the stadium who's fault is that... its greed.. the same as buying 1 too many players... thats a decision the manager has to live by.

Seems that it would be simply to just adjust the maximum amount of fans that can ever attend a game irrespective of how cheap you price your tickets. This way going from 35,000 - 40,000 could just be a total waste of money and thats a decision you just have to live with.

take the number who actually is in the game, and don't reducing it further - maybe you end up with 60k whih would be ok too - and don't forget with that prices it takes several season to get the money back.

I totally agree with your opinion too.

take the number who actually is in the game, and don't reducing it further - maybe you end up with 60k whih would be ok too - and don't forget with that prices it takes several season to get the money back.

No, that would be far from ok. The teams that started the game early on and had all the huge cash flows are the ones that had enough money to build 30k+ arena's.

The game is different now and it's much harder to make money. Letting things go as they were would have meant that those that had managed to build huge stadiums with early season money would be engrained as untouchable to teams that started just 3-4 seasons later, let alone those that are starting now.

those teams who invest this money in other areas has advantage too ;)

What other areas?

I'm talking about teams that we're provided cash flows in the first 4 or 5 seasons that were many times what they are today. Many of us (yes, including me) spent that money on arena's. A well managed team that started in season 5 or later would never catch a well managed team that started in the first few seasons.

Arena building was essentially an arms race that only the oldest teams could compete in. This change was needed for balance.

Last edited by brian at 6/7/2009 8:52:53 AM

because the game holds more facets then just players and playing.

..and the game holds more facets then just arena building which is where this was going.