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pogledajte sa kakvom ja ekipom gazim u 3 ligi::))

pogledajte sa kakvom ja ekipom gazim u 3 ligi::))

Gaziš? S omjerom 5-3? :))) Ja isto gazim s 2-6 omjerom. :)

PS opet kineski centar... ;)

STIGAO KINESKI CENTAR U DUGAVE
Objavljeno na 11.3.2013
Na tragovima prošlosti stigao je opet kineski centar u ekpu D u g a v e
ali sa time da je u ugovoru potpisano ako bi ikada pao pod snubljenjem Moe1
da sa njime izađe samo i na kavicu, momentalno napušta sveti klub

Ray on čet lis 13, 2011 1:03 pm

Neda mi vrag mira zašto je mom Mimici (21g. superstar) trebalo 4 tjedna da digne vanjsku obranu, i nakon što sam detaljnije proučio promjene i iskustva drugih kod nove vrste treninga došao sam do zaključka da je elastic effect drastično pojačan s novim cross treningom...prije je to bio faktor koji se uglavnom mogao zanemariti, osim u extremnim slućajevima, no od ove sezone je postao faktor s kojim treba ozbiljno računati ako se ne želi trošiti tjedne treninga uludo...

Isto tako je zaključak da se većina skilova veže na ulaz (driving) i kontrolu lopte (handling) jer su ti skilovi sekundarci pri treningu većine vanjskih skilova i nekih unutarnjih...isto tako vidim da su sekundarci jako ovisni o odnosu prema drugim skilovima i da je uglavnom došlo do usporavanja rasta sekundaraca u nekim slućajevima i na preko 1:10...

S tim saznanjima je isprobano slijedeće...mladim trenircima (bekovi, 18g) je kao uvodni trening stavljeno 2-3-4 tjedna 1na1 kako bi se napravila razlika u odnosu na ostale skilove što je rezultiralo čak i skokovima u vanjskoj obrani ili šutu po dva tjedna u nizu...

Moje iskustvo je slijedeće...Mimici je trebalo 2 tjedna da digne OD s 10 na 11, 3 tjedna s 11 na 12 i konačno 4 tjedna s 12 na 13...razlika je očita i prevelika da bude slućajno...u isto vrijeme je idući najviši skil bio ulaz na 11, skok šut na 10 i kontrola lopte na 9...

Dakle, što se više OD udaljavala od ostalih skilova trening se produžavao...pogotovo kad je iskočio na +2 od prvog slijedećeg skila...

Sad sam mu trenirao ID i skočio je normalno za dva tjedna jer je skil relativno nizak (5 na 6)...znaći da nije problem ni u igraču ni u treneru...problem je u tome da još ne kužimo dovoljno novi trening...

Zaključak je slijedeći...više neće biti moguće trenirati vanjske igrače (PG, SG, SF) bez jakog ulaza i kontrole lopte...a monoskilna čudovišta možemo zaboraviti...
Trenutno tvrdnja ide prema tome da vanjski skilovi nisu vezani na unutarnje i obratno, no to još nije isprobano ni provjereno...

Ovdje prenosim cijeli text sa BB foruma na engleskom...uglavnom pretpostavka koji skilovi su vezani na koje s objašnjenjem...

I created this thread to discuss elastic effect (EE), which is IMO very important when training players, especially for U21 and NT. There is a lot of opinions on which skills are connected that are scattered through forums, so I wanted to gather all the "knowledge" all in one place. I'm also training U21 players and maybe I could find some help in this thread with training my future NT SF.

What is elastic effect?: Elastic effect occurs where two related skills are very far apart; the lower skill will train faster and the higher skill will train slower. The closer those two abilities get, the smaller elastic effect is. The question is, which skills are related?

Before starting, is it possible that each skills gains EE from skills it trains as secondaries? For example: OD trains HA, DR and ID as secondaries - is it possible OD gains EE just from those three skills?

So...:

JS: It seems like it gains elastic effect by having high JR. Does anybody have any proof that JS can gain EE also from DR or HA?

JR: Gains EE from JS (obvious), but there have been claims from Chinese U21 trainers that OD has significant impact on speed of JR training. One user reported double pop in JR where OD was around 8-10 levels higher than JR, while player was 20-21y old. What about HA and DR?

OD: Quite sure it gets its EE from HA, but not much else.

HA: As someone who doesn't train HA 1-position, but watch it pops only via 1v1 and as a secondary training, the question that bothered me the most was if 1v1 was subjected to EE? Let's say you have JR, OD and PA on Respectable and HA, DR and JS on Atrocious. Does HA, DR and JS train faster with 1v1?

DR: Basically same question as HA...

PA: I guess the only EE PA can gain from are DR and HA. Not much information about that.

Now the Bigs' skill; as I've been training only guards, this will be a bit shorter.

IS: Probably affected by ID and RB only?

ID: RB and SB? What about IS? If you have abilities like IS 1, ID 7, RB 15 and SB 15 - will ID gain EE or not?

RB: ID, IS and SB? There has been a claim from a German user few seasons ago that his player experienced double pop after whole season of IS training (the player was 19-y old and very tall).

SB: Probably ID and RB only?

These questions are important because they help with training. If you set up the elastic effect, you can have better results in my opinion. Take this example, you have a rookie:

JS: 3 JR: 7
OD: 7 HA: 3
DR: 3 PA 7

Before training any of OD, JR or PA, it's advisable to train 1v1 for at least half a season first.

I know USA U21 instructions tell us a U21 player should train 1-position exclusively in his first three seasons and that you are unlucky if you started with bad secondaries. I disagree here and think almost any guard training should begin with at least few weeks of 1 on 1 training (unless OD, PA and/or JR are much lower than JS, HA and DR of course).