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Right, but you're now comparing apples and oranges and besides you can't have a draftee with 8s at 18yo. I can give you a 60 TSP trainee who is significantly better than your 55TSP.

If I put in a simulator a 50 vs a 60 TSP with similar distribution for an 11 potential player, the initial gap more or less sticks throughout their training life. That means that the higher initial skills are enough to compensate for faster training speed for the 'holes' as you call them. If that was not the case, you'd see the lower one catching up eventually.

I guess we could ask the person who trained him what was Hakkinen's TSP when he bought him, but my guess would be that he started at 70 including sublevels. Obviously getting 158 TSP (or more) is an amazing achievement, but I don't think that's possible with a 55 initial TSP guy.

A few seasons back they changed how the skill levels work for draftees, such that 19s are higher skills than 18s (on average). This was while I was away I believe.

Ok but 60 for a 19yo is not that impressive, unless you're ok with having a very unbalanced initial skillset which I was when I bought some of my trainees in the last few seasons (and 2 of them were 8/8 defense.

I thout this was still the case, that 8s was max for 18 and they had upped the max to 9 on 19s...I:d have to look around for the news post and discussions etc.

7.00-7.99 for 18yo
8.00-8.99 for 19yo

You can't draft an 18yo guy with 8+

the skill distribution is more important for speed than total because all 7s doesn't happen. People get between 48~low 60s and work from there. IF all you look at is TSP and IF you automatically assume hte higher TSP is always the better draftee...you are wrong.

I agree with the general reasoning here. I don't assume higher TSP=automatically better. That's even very obvious when you think skills train at a different speed. So a 5/7/7 5/5/7, 7'5'' tall player would be amazing as the equivalent training required to bring his outside skills up to that level from 1.00 is enormous. However we were talking about the cream of the crop: those are players with elite combination of initial TSP, height and potential.

Last edited by Lemonshine at 6/22/2015 9:32:12 AM

higher TSP DOES NOT raise training speed, it cannot. It is starting ahead, it doesn:t make you run faster.

My point was more that if you can add 90 skills to a player, then you need a 70ish start to get to 158 and there are actual examples of 158 TSP players (before even considering sublevels), but I agree that my statements on elastic effect were incorrect.

all 5s trains the EXACT same speed as all 6s. That is the logic you are trying to gloss over here. Its a mistake. elastic and CT effect are calculated RELATIVELY, not absolutely.

I just checked and that's correct.


Last edited by Lemonshine at 6/22/2015 9:42:44 AM

IM not against more pops/faster training etc. I just don:t think we should lie or overexagerate the state of things.

Ok 9-10 seasons for 90 pops is not a lot. We can agree on that. 90 pops with the right initial skillset produces elite/very good players (SF).

Now let's move on though. 90 pops and 130 TSP is only possible on high potential players. This is one of the reasons why for better or worse people are adverse to train low potential players. The reasoning that you can train lower potential to sell players and make money (to spend on players) is only applicable to those who have a trading attitude (and are not in top or very competitive leagues) and use that cash to buy their core of players. Like Gm-Nik0 said that's the 'tycoon' attitude, build, upgrade, expand. This is not for everyone and this is also actively discouraged through the Overextension Tax mechanism. Hrudey for example is one of many who grow attached to the result of their efforts. These people will not train to trade and any manager training a SF for himself will want to get those 80-90 pops, if he can, so he would not take and train Star potential, for example.

Ultimately they way to make lower potential players more appealing has to be something else and possibly directly related to the potential itself.

Last edited by Lemonshine at 6/22/2015 10:07:57 AM