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From: Knecht

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275166.103 in reply to 275166.78
Date: 11/17/2015 4:24:39 AM
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In addition me and my small country peers will lose opportunities to build up game shape, which will lead to B3 becoming a big nation competition, just like the champions league in the real world.

That is a valid concern that merits further discussion.

Edit: Although I believe you meant to write enthusiasm as opposed to game shape.


Yes, I meant enthusiasm... Easy fix: B3 games are played with equal enthusiasm.

Größter Knecht aller Zeiten aka His Excellency aka President for Life aka Field Marshal Al Hadji aka Lord of All the Beasts of the Earth and Fishes of the Seas aka aka Conqueror of the Buzzerbeater Empire in Europe in General and Austria in Particular
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275166.105 in reply to 275166.71
Date: 11/17/2015 4:41:39 AM
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5. "The effect of the new promotion bonuses on the market is substantial". Untrue.


I think Utopia promotion bonusses flooded the economy with a lot of additional money, while draining players from the transfer market. Of course now, that the race to the top is over, the situation will become better...

Größter Knecht aller Zeiten aka His Excellency aka President for Life aka Field Marshal Al Hadji aka Lord of All the Beasts of the Earth and Fishes of the Seas aka aka Conqueror of the Buzzerbeater Empire in Europe in General and Austria in Particular
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275166.106 in reply to 275166.104
Date: 11/17/2015 4:44:42 AM
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This could lead me to quitting after 30 seasons.........

I have had many championships and cup wins. I have been NT head coach and not much left to win except B3. So I made plans, many plans. Trained, trained, trained and trained. But the market has been rough, and not much has been made last many seasons (making money by training). But my goal is still B3 and I have put away some cash to give it a good run. Still training local players, like I've been doing for around 30 seasons.

Now, this.......... Again I should say. Happened in the game Hattrick (football manager) where I had 1 goal left as well. To win the cup. But restrictions made suddenly, to curb teams with money also wasted the work put in.

Where is the respect for managers that have put in skill and time to develop a solid amount of money? Why take away the hard work they have put in (without cheating........)? I can accept the salary cap as fair. But taxing the taxed is just taking it a step to far.

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275166.107 in reply to 275166.102
Date: 11/17/2015 4:44:44 AM
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Exceptions are easy, too. Like e.g. these rules do not apply during the first season a team is playing.

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275166.108 in reply to 275166.101
Date: 11/17/2015 5:06:23 AM
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If this luxury tax is aimed at those tanking teams it's again the wrong way. Tanking could easily be made useless. Just drop those numbers of fans attending games to a few 100, sitting on bleachers.

If you lose a lot of games in a row (not counting cup games of course) by a large margin there should be a really high attendance drop, e.g.:
1st game lost with more than 50 points: -25% for the next game
2nd game lost with more than 50 points: -50% for the next game
3rd game lost with more than 50 points: -75% for the next game
4th game lost with more than 50 points: just 500 people showing up

The margin of -50 could be higher, e.g. 60/70/ even 80 points.

That would make tanking totally unprofitable and it would even be realistic.


Taking a different avenue from this...

I myself as a fan, would be very upset if I saw a healthy Kyrie Irving (which is like seeing a Unicorn to begin with) sitting on the bench and instead I am force-fed to watch Delladova for 40+ minutes a game.

Oh LeBron, no... we'll let you watch Mike Miller instead.

Facts:
Fans do not buy merchandise from teams for their crappy players.
Fans buy less merchandise from losing teams.
Teams that fail to win lose season ticket holders.
Teams that continually lose are *essentially* forced to lower ticket prices, so that people will bother showing up.
Teams that continually suck have their television games changed to other teams playing

If you're tanking, you don't get as much TV Contract money, instead it gets divided up to the other teams in your league since what would have been your game being televised is now being one of their games instead because its less of an embarrassment, and will have more shares for the TV networks.

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275166.110 in reply to 275166.107
Date: 11/17/2015 6:01:35 AM
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Exceptions are easy, too. Like e.g. these rules do not apply during the first season a team is playing.


It does not make sense to add an exception to every new change - we need a VERY simple game to attract new users, that can be competitive right from the start.

Größter Knecht aller Zeiten aka His Excellency aka President for Life aka Field Marshal Al Hadji aka Lord of All the Beasts of the Earth and Fishes of the Seas aka aka Conqueror of the Buzzerbeater Empire in Europe in General and Austria in Particular
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275166.112 in reply to 275166.109
Date: 11/17/2015 6:42:16 AM
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I think those who should be penalised are those who have a semi-bot behaviour. While plummeting from D1 to D3 you should have been penalised and prevented making 10+ million in the process. That is, when you were in D1 and D2.

Now that you found a level (D3) where your roster, that was a tanking roster in higher divisions, can compete you should not be penalised anymore. So if you can still make huge profit and compete, good for you, your fanbase should return to the appropriate level for your division.

Your D1 record when you tanked: 0-22 -1648 Point Differential
Your D2 record the following season: 1-21 -767 Point Differential
Come on, you can't defend something like that. It's allowed like daytrading was allowed, but it's just abusing the system. If in a game where you're supposed to try and win, you are rewarded for losing, it defies the spirit of the game doesn't it?


Last edited by Lemonshine at 11/17/2015 6:42:30 AM

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275166.113 in reply to 275166.110
Date: 11/17/2015 7:06:07 AM
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We could avoid this luxury tax and get rid of the overextension tax if that attendance drop would be implemented. That would make a lot of things easier and even more realistic.

The problem with tanking is that it is too profitable: you earn lots of money through attendance and you can easily train 3-6 trainees as you like and earn even more money. If you played before only 500 people that first part would be eliminated.

It's far more complicated to always invent a tax here and there. This will only cure some of the symptoms but not the illness.

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