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Like you said lets consider a more plausible example than 15 million. So with your example of 150k, perhaps the player is a 2k player with Hall of Famer potential. Does that now mean he is worth 150k? What if an experienced player buys the 2k salary player with Hall of Famer potential? Does that now mean that he is worth 150k?

All I am trying to say is that there are 50000 users (approximately) in this game. If I list my player at a particular price, there only needs to be 1 player that thinks the value of the player is the same or close to what I listed. I am not talking about tricking a newbie in to buying an overpriced player. I am talking about listing a 1 million dollar player for 1.2 million because he has a slightly unique skill set. Now maybe he doesn't sell for a week or 2, and then on the third week suddenly 2 players bid on the player and eventually he sells for 1.5 million. Market forces are highly unstable and unpredictable and values of players can change every day.

Once there is a free market, it means that you can do things which can get you in a better situation. Completely fair system means that there should be solid prices for every skill and noone should earn more than that...

However trying to regulate free market is the decision which is going against the existence itself, because try to ask yourself - why should be there any free market, if there will work things by the principles which are not free?

I think you severely underestimate how often this happens. I know teams that want to do well in the cup that have bought players in a rush to try and secure a victory. More commonly is the last minute rush before playoffs where many people are trying to get a last minute superstar to increase their chances of promotion, or simply to avoid relegation. Hence why prices are often so much higher during the week before playoffs.

I know prices change before the playoff, but most of the managers buy players to keep, not like Superfly who constantly changes his lineup. Great team has better chance at selling high aswell, why? because people tend to think he must have superb players, not all of those players are great, we could almost call it daytrading. How would player tax interfere with people buying higher. It would just tax players not sold.

So what you are saying here is you don't mind people constantly listing "overpriced" players as long as it is only once a week?

I'm not saying that removing players from active list during TL time is the best idea, but it would "help" with the constant listing problem. I still think taxing not sold players is the best way.
Ofcourse there are different users and different needs, but you need to get this: there is a certain player value, nomatter what you think the player might be worth. If a player is valued about 1,2-2mil for example you think he is worth 4mil to you because he is australian. Now there is no TPE for him. He is listed at 1,5 at the start, now some players have bid on him and he is at 1,8mil, will you go and bid 4mil for him from the start or is he really worth 4mil? Now if he is listed at 4mil and you go and bid on him alone, it does not show he is worth 4mil, it shows you have no idea what you are doing. Players skills determine the value. If you overbid on something, it needs to be noticed and transfer price fixed. You will lose your 4mil (for bad management) but the sellers received money needs to be adjusted to prevent cheating.

I think the fundamental argument here is on how a players value is defined. If 1 person thinks a player is worth 1 million then is it? What about if 5 people think that? What about 50?

I am talking about listing a 1 million dollar player for 1.2 million because he has a slightly unique skill set. Now maybe he doesn't sell for a week or 2, and then on the third week suddenly 2 players bid on the player and eventually he sells for 1.5 million. Market forces are highly unstable and unpredictable and values of players can change every day.

Now let's say you do not sell him for 2 times he has been on TL and will sell him at the third time with pricetag 1,5mil. You have payed 24k in taxes + transfer tax ofcourse. It really does not hurt you, BUT if you keep him listed at 1,2 mil 10 times and he does not sell?

Like you said lets consider a more plausible example than 15 million. So with your example of 150k, perhaps the player is a 2k player with Hall of Famer potential. Does that now mean he is worth 150k? What if an experienced player buys the 2k salary player with Hall of Famer potential? Does that now mean that he is worth 150k?

How old is the player? What if he is 26 years old? Is he worth 150k? Biggest mistakes on the TL are made when just looking at the potential. Buying players that can not reach their potential due to their age etc.

I think the formula consists of players quality (what better players or weaker players are worth), age, potential. Ofcourse recent sales and amount of similar players in the game or on the market also play a role. I believe BB-s have somekind of player valueing system or else they would not be able to evaluate player salarys during off season etc.

Completely fair system means that there should be solid prices for every skill and noone should earn more than that...

Every player has a price range depending on the selling time and need for those players. The price is not fixed. I'm not trying to fixate prices, just trying to tax people who tend to list all their players high just for the purpose of fishing users on bidding players not actually worth that much.

I know what you are trying to do. All I want is to find any reason why it should be like that.

The point that prices would be more settlet pretty much unrelate with the principle of transfer market, because why should be things so complicated that every manager would be forced to behave on the transfer market, while should be every starting price based in fact on his decision? It doesnt make any sense... and seems more like an illusion of a "free" about you have to decide on yourself what you will do. Thats why it seems to me more reasonable to change this system itself than create from it overregulated illusion of something what used to be a market...

The game is about making decisions and while I dont quite like to see that some clubs are earning most of their money on the market, understanding of such a system should be (imo) based on the decisions which give opportunity to unexperienced managers go and fail sometimes - or just never fail at all.

(sorry for that wicked form, Im not really sure how to explain that)

Now let's say you do not sell him for 2 times he has been on TL and will sell him at the third time with pricetag 1,5mil. You have payed 24k in taxes + transfer tax ofcourse. It really does not hurt you, BUT if you keep him listed at 1,2 mil 10 times and he does not sell?

So what you are saying is that he should be penalised for listing at the "right" price just because it wasn't sold? Doesn't seem fair. And I realise he ends up making plenty of profit, but that isn't the point. The 24k in taxes may not hurt him, but they shouldn't be taxes because it was put on the TL for the players value anyway. So this shows that the taxes would hurt players that are listed for a decent price but are still not sold.

What if the player is 18 or 19 or even 20? I realise that people overpay for potential all the time, but that is their prerogative.

All I am saying is that just because a player doesn't sell at a listed price, doesn't mean the player isn't worth the listed price. I am not saying that the player is always worth the price they are listed at. But I could list a player that I use for my team at 1.5 million that you might consider to be a borderline 1.5 million player. So maybe it takes 3 or 4 weeks before someone else thinks that they would be happy to pay 1.5 million for the player. By my definition of value, the players value is now 1.5 million.

I think the formula consists of players quality (what better players or weaker players are worth), age, potential. Ofcourse recent sales and amount of similar players in the game or on the market also play a role. I believe BB-s have somekind of player valueing system or else they would not be able to evaluate player salarys during off season etc.

I agree with most of that, however there are other things that influence how much a player is worth such as a player's nationality, or whether he is a NT player. Also a players game shape might be reason to pay extra because you want to use him in a game straight away.

All players have a price range of what they are "worth" but this price range cannot be determined and is constantly fluctuating. I believe the price range to be the cheapest price they would sell for to the maximum price they would sell for.

You said that the BBs have a way of valueing players based on salary, but this isn't entirely correct. A player with 15k salary isn't necessarily more valuable than a player with 10k salary. The 15k player might have mediocre on all stats with tremendous jumpshot. The 10k player might have prominent OD, prominent JS, strong JR and Strong Handling and Driving with Respectable Passing. Clearly the 10k player is worth more.