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252150.105 in reply to 252150.103
Date: 12/27/2013 1:08:35 PM
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I have not had much experience with the GDP other than scrimmages which I used a very weak team. I know Magiker is testing this with the NT over the next couple of weeks so it'll be interesting to see the outcomes. I know it will also be something to test in the first few scrimmages to start the season as well.

I do think this can become a huge factor in games and can really change some things up. If it is a huge factor, we will have to continue keeping teams on their toes so they aren't guessing as much. One way to do that obviously goes back to the fridge rent skillsets needed to run multiple offenses, which then doesn't mean we are wasting our time training these different players.

I have been saying it for several seasons now that we need to get out of this full LI mindset and now the GDP finally has helped do this. There are several ways to have a good team that doesn't consist of just PGs and Cs.

One way to utilize these other players is through neutral offenses like PTB where players tend to take the appropriate shot based on their skillset. However, there will always be those players that aren't totally equipped for an offense but can still contribute. Just because you run a LI doesn't mean you shouldn't have a SG, especially now, because we may utilize him then in an outside offense, when some other player may not be best. We will have those players that work good in every offense, but it is those special SGs and PFs that will make us successful using those other offenses.

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252150.106 in reply to 252150.105
Date: 12/27/2013 3:01:44 PM
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As manager would you focus on developing specialist players (LI Big, Outside SG) or hybrid players that can play more than one offense.

From: E.B.W.

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252150.107 in reply to 252150.106
Date: 12/27/2013 3:09:43 PM
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Both. Considering that both can be very helpful in their own ways, I could see myself focusing on both types. The thing that a lot of people seem to forget is that the roster can have 18 people on it and as long as most of them are reliable managers with good game shape management then we can have plenty of different players on the roster so that they can be utilized depending on what offense we decide to run.

Murray/Harris/MPJ/Grant/Jokic - 2020 NBA Champs
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252150.108 in reply to 252150.106
Date: 12/27/2013 3:16:58 PM
Smallfries
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The overall build has a lot to do with their starting skills. There will of course be bigs that will be focused on primaries and same goes for guards, but I am one that believes you work with what you are given. If someone comes to me with a rookie with good guard skills but horrible inside ones, I'm not going to tell then to focus on the inside skills so much, where as a guard with great starting inside skills would be trained towards a hybrid style.

So as the manager I wouldn't say I would be focused on just one style. I will be foused on creating many different styles l allow us the opportunity to do more things. This includes:

Pure PGs
Defensive guards
Scoring guards
Hybrid guards
Inside oriented guards
All around SFs
Defensive SFs
Scoring SFs
Point forwards
Power forwards
Defensive bigs
Scoring bigs
Rebounding bigs

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From: Nick22
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252150.110 in reply to 252150.109
Date: 12/27/2013 3:37:01 PM
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As far as the GDP goes, Hunterz and I did a small amount of experimenting in scrims last season. I hosted 3 scrims:

Game 1:
Hunterz, 2 correct guesses
Lancers, 2 incorrect guesses
Hunterz 69-52 Lancers

http://www.buzzerbeater.com/match/65381756/boxscore.aspx

Game 2:
Hunterz, 2 incorrect
Lancers, 2 correct
Hunterz 76-84 Lancers

http://www.buzzerbeater.com/match/65388649/boxscore.aspx

Game 3:
Hunterz, 2 correct
Lancers, 2 correct
Hunterz 48-64 Lancers

http://www.buzzerbeater.com/match/65397637/boxscore.aspx

For the third game, Hunterz had sold off most of his scrubs and bought new $1k players for this last scrim, so the data might be a bit skewed for that game, but you can see the two extremes in Games 1 & 2.

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252150.111 in reply to 252150.110
Date: 12/27/2013 3:46:00 PM
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almost perfect... only thing is the change of players for game 3... and then no game 4 of without guessing at all for a baseline.

Of course more data would be helpful too....

Thank you Nick22

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252150.112 in reply to 252150.111
Date: 12/27/2013 4:08:57 PM
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Yeah after game 3 Hunterz fired the scrubs and stopped scrimming because he'd locked up fifth place.

From: Hunterz

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252150.113 in reply to 252150.112
Date: 12/27/2013 4:28:29 PM
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Correct.
Sorry to the community for that. The extra couple scrims with same lineups could have been invaluabe. Not sure what I was thinking.

Those games are a big reason I am leary of the GDP implimentation and have mentioned it numerous times offsite.

Do the candidates intend to try to scout and use it or ignore it in this term until its full affect can be drtermined?

From: E.B.W.

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252150.114 in reply to 252150.113
Date: 12/27/2013 4:31:45 PM
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I plan to ignore it for the majority of this first season simply because I do not think we will need it to win any game. I would like some more examples and information though, so it can be utilized next season.

Murray/Harris/MPJ/Grant/Jokic - 2020 NBA Champs
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