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time to get people off the fence and cast a vote as to how they believe the new change (over extension tax) will affect the game


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You sit here and play the fence when you now better. Talent cost money if you trained them or not.Every manager is not going to be a guru trainer. This why there is market and this why there is money for team saving to use such maret to buy.

You don't need to be a guru trainer or some mystical swami to create useful players from training. If we were talking the difference between players who are trained exceptionally well (which doesn't describe me either, btw) or just players trained moderately well or better (which I think I'd fit) that'd be one thing. But that's not the case here - to be perfectly frank, you have never trained a player that sold for more than 20k and you've got nobody that you've trained ever that has a salary of even 10k. That tells me that when it comes to "training" whatever you're doing is so ineffective that you're not creating players other people want or even that you want.

Why should a manage be punished for saving for the future?

So, to be clear, you're saying that losing money on a weekly basis (which is the only scenario where you'd be taxed) is saving money for the future?

Hell a decent person would say if your team cost 500K a season to run you need 2.5 million in the bank to be safe. But that's not case here on BB. Train a draft pick who is never going good unless your a guru trainer.

Once again, just because you can't do it doesn't mean it can't be done. The number of people on here who are creating players via training is sufficiently large that the game manages to have a transfer market without your contributions.

As for your other comments . I built more profits and won games with a bad team that never played Li/Lp than you could do with a good team that you say you have... I have amassed over 16 million in 10 season. If I wanted to buy my way to the top its not hard to do. So before you open your mouth about my acumen judge your own. And maybe your sf wouldn't shoots so bad in push the ball. btw Im not in debt, I could buy a full team 80$k week players if wanted too.

I was pulling over 150k/week in profits the last third of last season, with a roster under 300k total salaries. And won 5 of 7 games. I also, until this offseason, never in my BB career had $1M in my bank account - something to do with continuing to push money into my arena when I had extra money. I suppose if I had sat on the nearly 2M I put just into new lower tier seats next season, I could see what it's like to have big numbers in the bank account.

Not as hard as it seems. I'm about tactics not just winning and havinga boat load of money, maybe if understand that,you wouldn't be so bitter.

This, just like your whole comments (that were intelligible, at least) speak exactly the opposite. You simply sit back against lesser competition, building up your war chest because you subconsciously have figured out that you can't compete on even footing. You keep telling yourself (and anyone who'll waste time listening) that you're about tactics and you'll have this money and succeed wildly and, well, I regret to inform you that I find that highly unlikely.

And I'd love to hear more about my SF. For example, who exactly are you referring to? I have nobody currently with a listed position of SF since the last season's salary changes to JR/SB. I play several different players in that position based on my opponent and depending on my training needs. I'll go ahead and pass on the PTB advice, though - there's good reason why I don't run that and your opinion of it just doesn't move the needle at all on that.

Edit by Perpete:
Just corrected a messed up (quote) tag

Last edited by GM-Perpete at 12/30/2013 8:36:47 PM

Until this season and being thrown into a tough d. Iv league my whole team was homegrown and it was competitive enough to carry me to 128 in cup vs real teams

6k pg that you drafted at 2-3k and had for 10 seasons...

I got a pf/c with higher salary than that thT I trained for 1 full season and then he only gets 2-pos training sporadically.

You do know what is meant by training right? Week in week out 48+ mins of training focus for MULTIPLE seasons...

man, if this thread goes in this direction it makes no sense to keep it. And it's just because some childish person throws frustration all over.

He was already capped in the draft that why he didn't get pass it. A lot draft players are capped, which was my vaild point.

My second whole point is this fix the game before they start doing something like this.. I'm not saying its bad idea overall, Because it quite good for economy. I'm saying its a bad a idea now with so many flaws in the game unbalanced tactic and price to have to be effective, etc etc . People have already adjusted to that era of buzzer beater.

Again its not hurting me any. My team is in good standing regardless of a (any) taxes. My whole its te wrong time for this without fixing anything. You cant fix anything with a tax, all you do is kill good team in the hunt and help bad team turn to good teams over night.

Trust me it going 100 times harder to catch those Chinese teams and etc.

Last edited by Mr. Glass at 12/31/2013 6:37:42 PM

Look were I said "abusive sellers.". As in farm team//tanking teams. I find it funny to pick what you want to reply to. I don't think this tax help with so many flaws in the game. I don't have to agree, every man is granted his opinion.


Its a saying you cant fix bad money investments , by throwing good money behind it. That's what you don't understand here , that's was my whole point to moot.

Having a 18k in cap use is what 54K$ positive. Look man thats nothing to scream about. Some teams have never trained a player and have 350k to push over in luxury. With unbalanced tactic these teams have just gotten stronger sellers and winners.

Look I make 1.5 -2 million a year as club in 4 div, I don't tank , If wanted to I could have 150-450k exempt every full year. Put that in perspective for a bigger club who knows how to play but is playing unfairly tanking or is a abusive seller. Now tell me how is that good thing? For everything there is loop hole.

Money is not hard to get on the game, they are going to seek a way to get regardless of a tax, some already have it now. All im saying is balance the tactic before you add a tax because a lot already have the advantage. Take the tactic selling power away ( abusive farming, selling ) what do they have after the tax? *this is why teams are going above what they can pay for player because tactic imbalance*.

Every thing would be equal, but that is not the case here.

Last edited by Mr. Glass at 12/31/2013 7:00:39 PM

Trust me it going 100 times harder to catch those Chinese teams and etc.

Talk about the White Elephant in the room. I wonder if this effect is intentional. This wouldn't be fair at all.

Having a 18k in cap use is what 54K$ positive. Look man thats nothing to scream about. Some teams have never trained a player and have 350k to push over in luxury. With unbalanced tactic these teams have just gotten stronger sellers and winners.

This is about as eloquent attempt at summing up my thoughts on this whole charade. The tax added screaming/training but didn't quite account for the 18k of a positive 54k. By neglecting unbalanced tactics we get stronger sellers/winners, if I am reading this correctly. I would think shallow superegos may even become a byproduct of this 360k hyper training that is all the rage in China. We are never catching them.

Mr Glass, America could use your assistance in cleaning up a health care program. +1 to you bro.

Edit: something I wrote did not make sense. Sorry, it has been fixed.

Last edited by Yuck at 12/31/2013 7:16:13 PM

Every thing would be equal, but that is not the case here.

Well Im glad that your in favour of the over extension tax.


If you havent already please cast your vote at (253111.1)

Look were I said "abusive sellers.". As in farm team//tanking teams. I find it funny to pick what you want to reply to. I don't think this tax help with so many flaws in the game. I don't have to agree, every man is granted his opinion.

People who buy players for 1k and sell them for 300k aren't hurt in the least by this nor is it a change directed at that behavio(u)r. I don't disagree that some action on that is needed but public shaming of people who engage in that doesn't seem useful. The tax, specifically, is designed to make people who are running unsustainable economies based on money outside of their day to day operations and who are doing it with purchased rather than developed talent will have to burn more of their money to do so. It's still possible, and just like the gnashing of teeth about the GS drop on the TL, it'll be a sky is falling scenario until near the end of the season, and then teams that are going to load up will still do so, just at a slightly higher effective salary cost now. But what the change is intended to discourage is people treating this like an economic sim where the goal is to build up a large bank account, and then mindlessly purchase the highest salary players and promote upward.

Having a 18k in cap use is what 54K$ positive. Look man thats nothing to scream about. Some teams have never trained a player and have 350k to push over in luxury. With unbalanced tactic these teams have just gotten stronger sellers and winners.

I see some numbers and words, and I apologize but I fail to see any cohesion between them - I don't have a clue what you're trying to say.

Look I make 1.5 -2 million a year as club in 4 div, I don't tank , If wanted to I could have 150-450k exempt every full year. Put that in perspective for a bigger club who knows how to play but is playing unfairly tanking or is a abusive seller. Now tell me how is that good thing? For everything there is loop hole.

I'm sure that when it comes to guys who stuck around in V longer than should be physically possible to pound on bots and make money, you're one of the best. I acknowledge that, and only wish I could have had that much fun instead of the joy and pain of honest competition with superior managers to test my own meager skills.

Money is not hard to get on the game, they are going to seek a way to get regardless of a tax, some already have it now. All im saying is balance the tactic before you add a tax because a lot already have the advantage. Take the tactic selling power away ( abusive farming, selling ) what do they have after the tax? *this is why teams are going above what they can pay for player because tactic imbalance*.

Every thing would be equal, but that is not the case here.

You can be plenty successful with nearly any tactic you want well into the higher levels of the game, no matter how much tactical imbalance there may be at the B3 level. And a lot of that is economic in nature because the salary formulas rewarded the LI builds heavily and made outside builds unattractive. But of course you're going on and on about the imbalance because that's your scapegoat - as long as there's that "imbalance" to blame your failures on, you can revel in the fact that you've got a big bank account, and that the game is unfairly holding you back. Enjoy life in IV!