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New inside zone or fix 2-3.

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From: myToast

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181900.106 in reply to 181900.102
Date: 5/13/2011 10:25:41 AM
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i can defend High IS with half the salary successfully

2-3 zone give up on OD,
so is 3-2 give up on REB

the advantage of 2-3 is you can pace one high ID and REB player in the middle and take care all the inside duty.
getting a good SF in the corner of a 2-3 can't prevent a High IS opponent banging inside ur weaker ID player.

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181900.107 in reply to 181900.102
Date: 5/13/2011 12:11:50 PM
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Once again - you're saying that 2-3 is flawed because at the top levels, it requires players that are rare in BB.

The solution to this is for managers to train more of said players. Not to alter the zone, unless the zone fails while using those players.

For those who get killed by guards with good JS in the 2-3, that's the point. The 2-3 gives the other team a lot of open shots, especially from three. Never use it against a good shooting team! That's basketball 101.

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181900.108 in reply to 181900.16
Date: 5/14/2011 10:30:00 AM
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In other words, if you're finding that your 2-3 zone is being torn apart by a point guard getting to free throw line, forcing the shot blocker to come out and challenge him, then slipping a pass to a cutter for an easy bucket, that's really not the shot blocker's fault, at least not unless you'd rather him give guards open 10-footers.
How about putting in a calculation there over whether there will be an offensive charge, and players with high shotblocking will have a better chance of drawing the charge I guess relative to the opponent's handling and driving? If the chance of the offensive charge is already there (because I have seen a number of offensive fouls lately), you could just increase the probability for those with high shotblocking. I've always thought of the shotblocking skill as help defense, and this can represent an important element of help defense.

On a side note, while I think a change to the 2-3 zone would be nice, I'd really appreciate that any changes be made with at least a season's notice. So if you plan on making changes, please annoounce it in the offseason and wait 'til season 18.

Last edited by Fresh24 at 5/14/2011 10:31:21 AM

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181900.110 in reply to 181900.109
Date: 5/15/2011 12:48:47 PM
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According to the salary calculator I use, player 1 would have a salary of $339k, and player 2 would have a salary of $182k with all other skills at atrocious.
A better comparison may be player 1 (18 IS, ID, RE and 7 SB), to a player with 17 IS, ID, RE and 13 SB who would also have $339k salary, or if you want higher SB, a player with 17 IS and ID, 16 RE, and 15 SB who would have $340k salary.

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181900.111 in reply to 181900.110
Date: 5/15/2011 2:51:39 PM
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NO ONE at this table ordered a rum & Coke
Charles: Penn has some good people
A CT? Really?
Any two will do
Any three for me
Any four will score
Any five are live
From: Marot

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181900.113 in reply to 181900.111
Date: 5/15/2011 8:01:29 PM
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Heathcliff Attackers needs a Rajon Rondo or so, because his offensive movement isn't great.

From: Edju

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181900.114 in reply to 181900.112
Date: 5/15/2011 9:41:35 PM
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The situation you described is precisely what 2-3 is designed for.

Am I to understand that the "2-3 is broken" argument is centered around the concept that 2-3 should work in situations it wasn't meant for?

NO ONE at this table ordered a rum & Coke
Charles: Penn has some good people
A CT? Really?
Any two will do
Any three for me
Any four will score
Any five are live
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