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I concur. Not a huge fan however, beat a better team using patient.

Actually, it's harder to play with slow paced tactics against stronger defenses. Your success must be because of your players skills (like high passing) or you had some goss mismatches but it shouldn't be considered as the best option in these situations overally..

I've read this thread long enough to know to Never use Patient.
There are just too many conditions for it to work...

Well you can use it if you know you will lose otherwise. It might give you unexpected result :D

Last edited by Phantum at 8/30/2011 10:33:57 AM

Yes, I usually lose by 40 points, when I expect to lose by 10.

running patient is like having an "iversonish" player also im running full blast this s17 :)

Last couple of pl games I have used it and it has worked quite well. I have good passing at all positions though, along with high driving guard.

Now that I'm off of my mobile phone...

I love patient. I think it's great. I also think people expect it to 'just work' no matter how their team is built.

My two last games in my private league:
(36141631)
This one the team is considered very good and I was expecting him to destroy me. Looking back at pps for the different positions, I think I may have won running my usual motion. Full court presses aren't that great in my opinion, especially not against my team which has a reasonable amount of passing for every position.

(36141637)
This team I have a rivalry with (I worked with the guy...) and he has had a better team than me for the past season and a half or so, his salaries are something like $260k compared to my $210k and has been able to whip me for a while. I ran patient and smacked him to pieces, +20 while starters are on the court, only ended up +11 overall due to my scrubs playing the last 2 minutes of the game. The mismatches that I gave on the offensive end also had benefits like causing his players to foul out easier as well.

Interesting point about these games is the adjustment in the player that scored my points for where he took his shots:
First game, matched up against a shooting guard, his high driving/team passing got him to within a couple feet of the basket for layups.
Second game, matched up against a center (better ID), his high driving/team passing got him to take mid range jumpers from the free throw line. He also took more threes.

I think the offense works. No idea how I would fare against a 3-2 D, whether my passing would be enough to counteract it. I simply think people complaining about it are just thinking "slow form of base offense, equal sharing". I think it's more about the ability to generate a shot and people are not building these players properly.

No idea if I'm right and these are just a couple of games, but I think it adds to the discussion a little.

*EDIT - it was same number of threes, which is interesting...

And then there is (36141619).

Not sure about this - maybe the 3-2 stuffed me, maybe my guy had a bad game, maybe he would have had a better matchup at C and would have played well? I need to experiment more and hope other people can help answer these questions.

Last edited by lordy at 8/30/2011 10:45:16 PM

I have to say that I've been a bigger fan of patient than I am now. A good OD shuts it down. It seems impossible to have your PF/C take the majority of the shots, even though you have decent offensive flow.

(38914960)

My inside players should have a day at the park against them, and take a lot more shots than they did.

I also had a PF that had 11 JS and 7 JR this past season and while playing patient he didn't take a lot of shots. I might try it again in future games, but right now doesn't seem like a winning tactic to me.