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From: Trikster

To: Mr J
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242993.107 in reply to 242993.92
Date: 6/12/2013 4:51:44 PM
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Of the 16 people who have voted, 14 believe we need a new Federation! Surely this ends the debate about the revitalisation of the offsite forum!?

Given a federation will exclude non-supporters and people already with 5 feds, I still don't see how a solution that we know excludes managers can be a good one. Popular decisions don't always equal a good decision.

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Date: 6/12/2013 4:58:15 PM
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Of course for 21 NT you want guys with main skills a big focus. I have spoken about focusing some players more in one direction. For example it would be great to have a G with very high OD and a bit lower in JS/JR and passing you could bring in if a team had a gun G to shut him down. Just as one example. He would still needs skills in the other areas but lose a bit in some for more in an other.

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242993.109 in reply to 242993.105
Date: 6/12/2013 5:04:16 PM
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So Flemo

Would you be willing to be a mentor if the system was up and running again?

Regardless of if I win or not I am keen to ensure the system is back up and running. I see it being a 3 levels.
1. For new guys to get them the basics in training and finance (we would have a lots of guys who could do this)
2. For guys who have the basics and need a bit more to move up the leagues.
3. Guys wanting that little bit more to have a plan to try and make the ABBL.


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242993.110 in reply to 242993.109
Date: 6/12/2013 5:12:40 PM
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Don't get it wrong, I mean, people like you are awesome for new managers.

It just makes me wonder... what are we voting for? A guy that can coach a team, or a guy who is willing to get people involved and help them out (something you can do wether you get the NT job or not)?

Why are we even questionning this?

I'll give you my definition of a NT manager, even if nobody cares :p
- set the line up
- select the worthy players
- save the high potential and talented ones from going bot
- let people know about the skills of the NT players
- discuss the tactics if someone is interested

Anything else you do that is not on that list is because you're a cool guy. Now if you're a cool guy because you got elected is another question.

[I hope I didn't forget anything on that list or I'll get shot in the next post :D]

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242993.111 in reply to 242993.110
Date: 6/12/2013 5:24:25 PM
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I think you have a very limited view of the role. It is also important to ensure that there are more good players worthy of being selected. If one in the role only cares about their 2 year term and fails to take a longer term view we will never become a stronger nation.

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242993.112 in reply to 242993.111
Date: 6/12/2013 5:34:54 PM
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It is also important to ensure that there are more good players worthy of being selected.


As a matter of fact, this is not up to the NT manager but to the regular team managers themselves. You'll be extremely upset if you think you can change their mind.

Not to mention you should arguably advise the new managers to do what's NOT good for the U21 NT: since they play in a lower division, they cannot afford high salaries. Thus you should tell them to train secondaries so they can keep their star player on a long term and not lose interest in the game. Otherwise, all the talented players go to the upper division where the managers can carry on training them and pay them. Then the small market teams will most likely go bot.

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242993.113 in reply to 242993.112
Date: 6/12/2013 5:48:09 PM
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Lower level teams can train a guy for the 21 NT and then do some secondaries and have a solid player who can serve them upto Div II well and not costs too much. Training a solid player is abetter long term and buying someone with a poor build.

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242993.114 in reply to 242993.113
Date: 6/12/2013 5:55:28 PM
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Yeah, like you gonna promote immediately after training your U21 player. Lots of fun paying a 50k or more guy to play him out of position because you didn't train the secondaries when he was cheap, too! I'm gonna tell one a secret d3 manager, D2 won't forgive that kind of mistake! Try it and you'll most likely be stuck in mediocrity for a looooong stretch.

I sincerly hope this is not the kind of things you advise to other managers. Or well, from a personnal standpoint, I was kinda happy to have a bunch of terrible managers who allowed my to train some 19yo guys in d2.

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Date: 6/12/2013 6:04:45 PM
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I'm training a PF in OD atm. Easy to do in a scrim each week. From what you are saying even teams in Div II and ABBL should not be training guys for the 21 NT side. If they can't afford to train secondaries. what is the difference in having a 50k C play a G with poor G skills then a 3k rookie? At least the 50k guy can rebound and make some inside shots. It is not perfect use of the guy but training guys never is.

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242993.116 in reply to 242993.114
Date: 6/12/2013 6:06:23 PM
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Yeah, like you gonna promote immediately after training your U21 player. Lots of fun paying a 50k or more guy to play him out of position because you didn't train the secondaries when he was cheap, too! I'm gonna tell one a secret d3 manager, D2 won't forgive that kind of mistake! Try it and you'll most likely be stuck in mediocrity for a looooong stretch.

I sincerly hope this is not the kind of things you advise to other managers. Or well, from a personnal standpoint, I was kinda happy to have a bunch of terrible managers who allowed my to train some 19yo guys in d2.



Are you saying you don't train 19 year olds as you are in Div II

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242993.117 in reply to 242993.116
Date: 6/12/2013 6:15:16 PM
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A'ight, I'll make it quick because I'm not that cool guy handing out advices.

1. The difference between paying a 50k guy to play PG and a 3k guy is that both will get smashed, but you'll pay one 47k more than the other. Salary efficiency fundamentals, dear Watson. So now, while I train my crappy 3k guy, I can afford a 47k guy to play in his true position and carry the 3k guy. You can't do that with your 50k guy.

2. Other managers should not have let me train 19yo in d2. They should beat the sh!t out of me and send me back to d3. Instead I was able to train these little fellas while making ways more money than I'd have in d3. They made it easy for me. This had lead my team having a real shot at promoting, something you shouldn't want as an opponent. There are 16 teams, only 1 can promote.

Basics, dude.


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