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When did I say I agree with with doing something a year from now?

All I said was at least they aren't making zero changes. They are actively trying to change things up and make the game better. What and how that is done is obviously a huge point of discussion!

For example: I'm not a huge fan of raising the salary floor. For 11 of the 14 weeks last season I was under the salary floor, yet I managed 3rd place in my conference and won a playoff game. Oh, and made semi finals of cup.

Why should I be punished for this by BB eating into my bottom line?

Is the boycott not a strong enough measure? Punish tanking teams that are actually tanking, not competitive teams who do so by saving money where they know how to.

Last edited by U21 CAN Cletus at 12/13/2016 5:01:08 AM

When did I say I agree with with doing something a year from now?

All I said was at least they aren't making zero changes. They are actively trying to change things up and make the game better. What and how that is done is obviously a huge point of discussion!

For example: I'm not a huge fan of raising the salary floor. For 11 of the 14 weeks last season I was under the salary floor, yet I managed 3rd place in my conference and won a playoff game.

Why should I be punished for this by BB eating into my bottom line?

Is the boycott not a strong enough measure? Punish tanking teams that are actually tanking, not competitive teams who do so by saving money where they know how to.

Your team is a good example on how broken the BB economy already is.
Some saisons ago top teams in my league had a team salary of 1M, TV contract was 240k and average income was close to zero. Now, you are set for PO with 600k salary, TV was 193k last saison, average income 180K and teams below salary floor could avoid relegation (Germany is a larger mid-sized nation, not some micronation where this is normal).
From a S20 point of view almost ALL TEAMS in Germany are tanking now and since all teams are tanking you can still play competitive with very low salary teams.

This is a direct reaction on rising player transfer prices aka inflation. If you need more money to replace a player you cut costs to save more. Higher weekly income for all teams means higher influx of money into the economy. More money in the economy while available player numbers stagnate or shrink means higher prices. Higher prices will result in managers cutting more cost...etc. vicious circle.

I fully agree with Knecht that BB is tumbling towards hyperinflation and 13M for 124 TSP sales we see theses days will be normal in a few saisons if nothing is done to prevent that. The current announcements will in my opinion result in the opposite as i estimate that the boycott and salary floor measures will be overcompensated by the additional promotion boni.

Just a general question: who decides the changes that find their way into the game?

Is it Marin and some grey eminence in the background, do the (E)GMs have a word in this?

I agree!!! I too was right at the floor last season and got lucky that my trainee's salaries went up enough to put me right at the floor again this season. Nice post!!!

Salary: Are there any informations yet which B-skills have been made more revelant for the salary calculation? The way I read EGM-Fotos posts it sound as if mainly OD, PA for Bigmen and IS for Guards and SFs have been taken into account. If somebody has made some analysis on this I would be very interested in it.

C low OD, high PA, High 1on1skills, medium Range
salary was $ 85 377 before and is at $ 85 004 now.

PF with very high OD, high 1on1 Skills, medium JR, highPA
had a salary raise from $ 64 108 to $ 66 239. but he also popped in JS


Guard without PA and Range, very high OD and High IS (cookiecutter-LI guard)
from 18,4k to 19,8k

Guard with some PA, low Range, good OD and high IS
from 25,4k to 28,8k

So from my perspective it seems as if the right players very targeted with the salary raise. I also think that is not to brutal right now.

I think if OD Training for Bigs and IS Training for Guards are made a bit less attractive, it also results in more enjoyable training. We would just forgo training out of position eventually. I probably would because out of position Training ist just annoying.

Promotion/demotion: I am not really decided on this. I like a little bit more shuffling in the leagues, but it seems weird to promote while loosing the finals. It takes away the competitiveness a little bit. Why do we have PO after all. Just let the first two teams advance...

boycott: this seems weird. It would make more sense if the fans would boycott a team if it loses in a blowout more than 75% (f.e.) games of the season.

Last edited by jonte at 12/13/2016 7:57:33 AM

Salary: Are there any informations yet which B-skills have been made more revelant for the salary calculation? The way I read EGM-Fotos posts it sound as if mainly OD, PA for Bigmen and IS for Guards and SFs have been taken into account. If somebody has made some analysis on this I would be very interested in it.

Teemo looked at that and I did too. Guards seem to range from -4% to +8%, SF seem to be affected more than guards. Big men changed less than that but you will not find big men with 18 OD so the effect is less evident.

Personally I think they increased multiple or all secondaries for all positions, but IS stands out because it's a very popular skill and you have players in the guard and SF formulas with very high IS. The fact that the SFs are the most affected makes me think that it has been a general increase in all secondaries and I wouldn't necessarily say that IS was increased more than other inside skills for guards. It just so happens that there are guards with 20 IS and 6 RB but there are no guards with 20 RB and 6 IS or 20 ID and 6 IS so it's not easy to know for sure.

But RB was part of the salary formula before. As well as JR/JR was for bigs. It would be reasonable to adjust IS, OD, PA first, without increase the effect of the other skills. But until further inquiry or some Information from the BBs it is just speculation.

The new feature which shows the salaryhistory of the last seasons might be helpful tool to analyse the changes. That would be my first step before presenting a critic on the changes made this season.

The problem is that at 7 of secondary skills there is no change. A clarification of what's been changed (not by how much just what) would be helpful.
13/3/16 16/16/11 16/16/6/4 +8.76%
17/10/18 16/18/11 15/12/7/6 +6.77%


Last edited by Lemonshine at 12/13/2016 9:37:34 AM

From a S20 point of view almost ALL TEAMS in Germany are tanking now and since all teams are tanking you can still play competitive with very low salary teams.

I suspect this is true for many countries. Its certainly true in England, though we're smaller than Germany so not as good an example.

I fully agree with Knecht that BB is tumbling towards hyperinflation and 13M for 124 TSP sales we see theses days will be normal in a few saisons if nothing is done to prevent that. The current announcements will in my opinion result in the opposite as i estimate that the boycott and salary floor measures will be overcompensated by the additional promotion boni.

I don't think many teams will be affected by the boycott so the extra money in increased bonuses won't be lessened much.

Past history (BB intractibility) tells me that the only possibility of a change will be if the BBs decide not to give promotion bonuses to the extra promoted teams. With no bonus and no fan boost the following season, I wouldn't want to be one of those teams.

Boycott and total dislike are head to head. It's starting to be clear that a draft improvement, no matter how small, is perceived as the top change by those who voted

Last edited by Lemonshine at 12/13/2016 10:01:20 AM