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218937.108 in reply to 218937.107
Date: 5/30/2012 4:46:23 PM
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most of the tankers don't stay tankers for tons of season but, instead, take profit of it a few seasons and then generally have at least the same global results about the seasons to come than those trying to compete for this period.


From my observations and experience, the last part of your sentence is false. They do some damage, i agree. But it is temporary. They do not dominate for two or three seasons more. They just vanish. Remember Venomous scorpions? Look:

In season 16, Venomous Scorpions won the B3
In season 17, Venomous Scorpions reached the finals of the B3
In season 18, Venomous Scorpions played in the group stage of B3 with 3 wins.
In season 19, Venomous Scorpions played in the group stage of B3 with 1 wins.

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218937.109 in reply to 218937.107
Date: 5/30/2012 4:55:43 PM
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Here is a farmer : (35519)

Well he is a very good one, training very well. Still, he is last in the lowest divison. Because he doesnt care about succeeding. He just wants to train and wants to stay in the last position to get a good draftee.


If you consider this as a farmer... Then you have not seen a real farmer :) If he's training good players, just because he wants to, i welcome that :D Good player is hard to find on TL.

Farmer, in my opinion, is the team that has lots of money and can sustain a high salaried player on good shape. Not that any NT would need that.

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218937.110 in reply to 218937.89
Date: 5/30/2012 4:55:44 PM
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Another idea might be to have teams make no money on forfeited games. If I were a fan, I would want my ticket refunded after a forfeit. I would think the TV companies would be pissed as well, so maybe a decrease in the forfeiting team's (and only the forfeiting team's) TV contract for that week and the next. I also like the idea that someone mentioned about having a team who forfeited a match get no training that week.

From: Rycka

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218937.111 in reply to 218937.110
Date: 5/30/2012 5:02:09 PM
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Do you mean forfeit as a technical loss? I did lost one time because i have not set my standard line-up. Yeah, it's my problems. But i care about this game and still this happened for me once. Should we punish those situations?

If you mean forfeit (sorry if i don't understand, it may be just culture differencies) as a giving up with 3 low salary players. What if i have a tournament with a strong opponent? And i decide to let my three reserves to play in a league game, because i am saving my starters for a cup? Should i be punished? How do we determine is it intentional or not?

From: Axis123
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218937.113 in reply to 218937.111
Date: 5/30/2012 5:10:42 PM
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Can't we all conclude that pretty much every "solution" has its own drawbacks?

I ask: What are the drawbacks for modifying the Fan Survey code, apart from giving the BBs something to think about?

When I say modifying the code, I mean if you forfeit (maybe more than once to eliminate accidents), it dramatically reduces your attendance. If your team is constantly losing by very large amounts (to be decided), attendance drops and merchandise would practically disappear, perhaps TV contact as well.

Is there a major problem to this apart from what I mentioned earlier about giving BBs some work?

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Date: 5/30/2012 5:11:34 PM
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It always is. That's what make this game great :)

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Date: 5/30/2012 5:14:43 PM
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You should agree, that conditional programing is a bad idea. You have so much scenarios... And you will surely skip one. Therefore creating one or more unhappy user. Programing is object orientated. Not conditional.

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Date: 5/30/2012 5:14:48 PM
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By forfeit I did mean technical loss. I would say that playing your three worst players should also be punished. It would not be as severe though because at least the fans got to see a game. I would say that the punishment for this type of loss would be decreases attendance for later games. I am hypocritical in this as I just recently "tanked" my cup game for a league game, because I was facing an opponent 2 divisions higher than me. I am interested to hear people's thoughts on that as well. Should my intentional loss to preserve gameshape be considered tanking and punished. I myself would say no because you are still trying to be competitive and you're not really being a detriment to anyone's else's experience (except maybe the team you play the next week), but I would like to hear other's thoughts.

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218937.117 in reply to 218937.115
Date: 5/30/2012 5:18:21 PM
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You should agree, that conditional programing is a bad idea. You have so much scenarios... And you will surely skip one. Therefore creating one or more unhappy user. Programing is object orientated. Not conditional.

The object is to make the game more realistic and more fair.

From: Rycka

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218937.118 in reply to 218937.116
Date: 5/30/2012 5:21:09 PM
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I would say that playing your three worst players should also be punished. It would not be as severe though because at least the fans got to see a game. I would say that the punishment for this type of loss would be decreases attendance for later games.


So think. If i know that there will be punishment because i am playing my three worst players, what should i do? I get the cup money for the win. I get league money for attendance. Logical answer is - forget the cup. It will ruin my next home game.

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