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There is a possibility that after few seasons, when the first division will be filled (or even earlier), there will be a few teams from the same country in the same division.. They can begin to help each other by arranging results between each other, and trying to win or lose some games which would be helpful for their countrymen and so on.. Just trying to keep them in the top division or for promotion.. I am not saying that it will happen, but there are some very united counties in BB, so there is a posibility.. Do you see it as a problem?

2nd team is not finally a Supporter feature and all of us (yeah i have still some paid Supporter before getting the free one) paid for the package without anyone promising that we are going to get a 2nd team.

But until 4th of march, with the official news, we have:

-As poll question

Should BB develop the second team for Supporters feature [...] ?

-as final decision, the only part speaking about rules

I guess we can forget most of the things mentioned in the original post, as this is something completely different, with a whole new set of rules and restrictions.

but never find something about "no more supporters feature". Am i wrong?

you're right for your part, i can't read any promise about "only" supporter. But i've some proofs about starting idea.

I'm not seeing this way. 2nd team will cost to all of us $10 but don't forget that BBs recognizing the help from Supporters and they are going to give us actually 2 Supporter packages in the price of one

This is, for me, a "sop". And i repeat it. Why? Because "supporter" doesn't have double fun with his package, simply can control more aspects of the game (bookmarks, live update at top of the page during matchdays, numbers and logo and avatar and search in forum, polls, smileys). 2nd team, at least in consideration during the poll post, give the chance to double the fun, it seems. Or, as i underlines, double the stress ;). In my mind 2nd team may be priority instead of supporter package, and some actions (give supporter for free if you buy 2nd team and have supporter = if you pay me 10$ i give you 40$, at least actually) done by BB's are close to my opinion (pushing 2nd team than supporter) than to "elite" idea. IMO.

I like to repeat, this is not an accuse, i'm open to understand your POV, but if i answer with mine it's just to understand better, not to fight.

so there was an open window to be extended and this is actually happened as the deal is still available and its going to be available for more time.So this has nothing to do with the 2nd team and a plan to play any conspiracy games against users

I can't find, in 3d you linked, info about extension. strange. because you publicized (or spammed, differente POV) the "grand opening" of DS promotion,and you should do the same to every user, telling him the extension.


About conspiracy, i praise behaviour, because at least for economic issues is "the best way". So no conspiracy, but a little abuse in relationship with supporters, older and newer.

I just underline, this is not a money issue, although enough motivation are about money.At least not at this level, paying 0,08€ a day for supporter or 0,02€ for 2nd team...

Many users are not going to believe what Marin wrote in his post. The $10 is not primarily and only for money. It's mostly to ensure that every user who is going to participate will have a strong incentive to remain very active. It sounds unrealistic to many users but this was the main point of the payment.

I really think charging supporters is unfair.

Thinking about it, maybe you(people making decisions) were thinking about numbers. You say you expect about 1k second teams. If there are 1k supporters, then maybe you account in the possibility that many supporters wouldn't take their second team seriously, which would sabotage the competition?

As nobody liked the name Utopia, simply change the name for Rest of World. So Utopia represent nations that do not yet exist in the game.

Hi, I'll try to formulate a concise answer.
1. It's an option. When we planned the feature we thought it would be better for it to have it's own players. Don't remember if there was a particular reason why. It's definitely easier that way (than modifying draft and team player creation code).

2. As some guys already pointed out, it's not about money, although we appreciate the extra income. We want the Utopia country to be the most competitive place in BB. Giving free teams to all Supporters would counter that. Also, Supporters get the Supporter package on their second team for free, for the duration of the package.

3. If there are more than 1024, we will downgrade everyone to level V.

4. Working on it right now, so, worst case scenario, in a matter of days.

5. You can always buy the 3 month Supporter packages to get them as close as possible. Your suggestion is practically impossible, sorry.

6. Why wouldn't you buy those old players with your primary team? The rule is there to make sure no foul play between the two teams is ever even suspected, and for that it needs to be rigorous.

Hope that helps!

As I am fine with Points 1. and 3. and can´t do anything about 5. just an answer to the other ones:

2. Sorry, I can´t understand your Point. Why would Utopia be less competitive if the already paying supporters would get a Little Discount to participate in it? What has that to do with the competitiveness? thats nice for Marketing Points, but really, thats not an Argument.

4. I hope you will announce it on the News page with a link to it.

6. Why I wouldn´t buy them? Hm, maybe because my Primary Team is now in a league where they can´t help me anymore (otherwise they would still be with me) but they could be a real force for my secondary Team.... And i don´t understand the Argument. If there would be the rule, that you can´t sell and buy Players directly between These Teams everything would be fine. Because the Players then have to be with anover Team- which is always pursuing it´s own Profit. So why can´t i buy a Player who has maybe been 10 seasons ago on my Primary Team for my second Team or vice versa? The only reason i see is, you suggest that all People already have a second Team.....

After all my "disappointing posts", one "suggestion" post, about roster composition:

12 defined player, everyone with all 1 at every skill and 25 (the half between 18 and 32) years. [optionally: Possibility to choose name (supporters) (both kind of players)]
Every player has X skillpoints (to be defined, for example 40) which have to be used.

related to Age, there is a limit to maximum level of a single skill
Example:
18--->max 7 in a single skill
19---> max 8
20--->max 9
21--->max 10
22 to 25--->max 11
26 to 28---> max 12
28 or more---> max 13
Every +1 in age increases X by something (1?/2? more?)
Every -1 decreases X by something (1?/2? more?)

Height is setted random, but you can spend something of the X skills (to be defined) to change it in an admitted value.
Or, better, you can simply edit height you want.
You can also choiche potential, with this example table
0 - Free
1 - you will receive 5 skillpoint
2 - you will receive 4 skillpoint
3 - you will receive 3 skillpoint
4 - you will receive 2 skillpoint
5 - you will receive 1 skillpoint
6 - Free
7 - it costs 1 skillpoint
8 - it costs 3 skillpoint
9 - it costs 5 skillpoint
10 - it costs 10 skillpoint
11 - it costs 20 skillpoint

so we can also increase the "skill" of this kind of elite management which will ask for 2nd team.

What do you think?

Nickleon & Perpete

You are very patient people - thank you and thanks for continually manning the boards which is a thankless task.

I will treat it super "competitivly"!!! Why woudln't managers treat it that way when like 1000 teams or 500 or w/e are all starting from 0 all at the same time.
Stop talking bad about this Second Team, its the BEST Idea EVER!