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What about 5 and 6? In my case, the 5 gets 2.2 and the 6 gets .9, and they both play inside, and around the same # of mins.

Is the 5's +2 in stamina really that much of a driver and, if so, then if you want more SB just train stamina?

edit - I have no reason to support a change, as I've made sure not to waste time training shot blocking on bigs where it doesnt appear to have much effect, while I have made sure to buy guards with good shot blocking which does appear to have quite a bit of effect.

Last edited by brian at 1/15/2009 2:51:26 PM

What about 5 and 6? In my case, the 5 gets 2.2 and the 6 gets .9, and they both play inside, and around the same # of mins.

Is the 5's +2 in stamina really that much of a driver and, if so, then if you want more SB just train stamina?

edit - I have no reason to support a change, as I've made sure not to waste time training shot blocking on bigs where it doesnt appear to have much effect, while I have made sure to buy guards with good shot blocking which does appear to have quite a bit of effect.

I only have that many centers. Here is my general observation for the guys that rotate in the PF/C positions

* high atrocious SB, strong stamina: ~0.3 blocks per 25 min
* high strong SB, strong stamina: ~1.5 blocks per 25 min
* high strong SB, mediocre stamina: ~1 block per 25 min
* high mediocre SB, mediocre stamina: ~0.6 blocks per 25 min
* awful SB, respectable stamina: ~0.4 blocks per 25 min

You can fill in the blanks, but I'd say the pattern is pretty clear.

Sorry thats too small a sample to be even taken into consideration.


Ive again gone for the rounded approach and despite having a couple of guys with low SB (not as low as high atrocious) there is a increase in bpg as I reach the guys who have Strong SB.

Team wise I am up to 7.6 blocks a game which I feel is contribuing greatly to my scores. If I knew that I could get closer to 10 blocks a game with some more training I would be tempted to train a bit and contrary to most peoples beliefs about SB being rendered worthless I would disagree overall but agree that the difference is marginal per level of SB.

But I have no idea (in fact what % of BB managers do) what the av. NBBA or major league SB stats are. I guess this for me concludes that for a casual basketball fan and player of this game we just need to know that by improving SB via training that we can expect (to a limit) that our av. bpg are likely to increase and I believe although difficult to witness this is indeed the case.

maybe BB should just reduce the impact of SB on a player's salary/potential

Why do you enter any discussion spreading your wisdom without accepting other opinions? While reading that thread it gave me a lot of useful information and some interesting statements how the BB´s intend to change the importance of SB. After you have started to talk here you interrupt any ongoing discussion about that issue. You have a very annoying style of "killing" any structural talks...

No thanks, I do not need to review the discussion again, because I know the difference between a discussion and facts...

A lot of focus here is on the number of shot blocks, which I don't particularly care about. The general agreement seems to be that they are within the realm of what we see in the NBA. The distribution may be off, but I'll leave that discussion to others.

I just wanted to concur that good shot blocking should not just result in blocks. That was part of my original post. It should also help with defense. When I play basketball, if a guy blocks one of my shots, I'm going to be a little less confident the next time he defends me. I'll take a modified shot or I won't shoot at all.

So the point is - shot blocking should also have an impact on defense. That is one way to make the skill more important.

I personally like the idea of altered shots when SB comes into play. It does tie in with RL instances on the court.

However, SB remains more of an Inside skill rather than an Outside one. This is because when you are guarding someone on the outside, you tend to give him a bigger 'leash' or keep him a specific distance from you. The closer you get to the rim, the more this distance reduces and when you're under the basket, you're literally side by side. The shorter the leash is, the bigger impact SB will have on altering the shots.

I feel this brings another dimension to defences, and not dependent on one skill.

I personally like the idea of altered shots when SB comes into play. It does tie in with RL instances on the court.

However, SB remains more of an Inside skill rather than an Outside one. This is because when you are guarding someone on the outside, you tend to give him a bigger 'leash' or keep him a specific distance from you. The closer you get to the rim, the more this distance reduces and when you're under the basket, you're literally side by side. The shorter the leash is, the bigger impact SB will have on altering the shots.

I feel this brings another dimension to defences, and not dependent on one skill.

This is an interesting observation. Also, few players are double-teamed (trapping aside) on the outside -- where as you get closer to the basket, the chance of a double-teamed is much greater.


Steve
Bruins

The honest crux of the issue is that Shotblocking needs an overhaul to correct the distribution and add the intuitive parts of the game that shotblocking creates. "Changing the shot" and Changing shot selection to account for the games big shot blockers.