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124816.11 in reply to 124816.10
Date: 12/29/2009 4:17:11 AM
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The tactics where good. TIE was maybe risky, but probably worth the risk.

I don't know if cyprus crunched their first game because they are stupid, or because they either hate Belgium, or love an other team in our group. But I realy hate it when teams throw away their own chances at performing the best they can.

his will probably cost us at least 1 rank in our group. Not only did they steal a win from us, they are handing out free wins to the next, maybe next 2 teams because of this...

What a shame.

Anyway, you have nothing to blame on yourself, your tactics where great.

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124816.12 in reply to 124816.11
Date: 12/29/2009 4:23:11 AM
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i hate to say this, but i perfectly understand this.

if you look at it, knowning your superstar PF is injured, and that your best C has average on his GS, then who would take them serious? they got some nice shooters, but you wouldn't expect them to go CT.

so if your opponent is going TIE, and you are facing Germany next week( which would be an obvlious TIE choice) you might as well get a win. they are dreaming of the second position aswell... and this was one hell of a way to get it started.

we simply didn't expect them to go CT. if they hadn't, i reckon we'd have won this game. but they went CT, thinking we would go TIE... they were the underdog, and they did their work well. we simply took to much risk, and now we are in a difficult spot, since we'll need minimal 6 straight victories with no margin of error, and what more, we need to have big wins, to errase this 27 point loss...

we just put ourselves in a horrible position, and now we'll have to double the work to be sure we don't make the same mistake again.

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124816.13 in reply to 124816.12
Date: 12/29/2009 4:30:52 AM
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I most certainly do not understand it, especially not if they indeed want to claim second spot...

Starting with a crunch is ruining the rest of the games, even if you play TIE against a team you can't win from next time.

I'm absolutely sure they trew away their shot (if they had one) at second place right here with this game.

The only thing they did is giving other teams more chances at second spot, and Belgium less chances.

But yeah, that's just me. I can't be always right,... right? ;þ

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124816.16 in reply to 124816.11
Date: 12/29/2009 8:58:33 AM
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The tactics where good. TIE was maybe risky, but probably worth the risk.

I don't know if cyprus crunched their first game because they are stupid, or because they either hate Belgium, or love an other team in our group. But I realy hate it when teams throw away their own chances at performing the best they can.

his will probably cost us at least 1 rank in our group. Not only did they steal a win from us, they are handing out free wins to the next, maybe next 2 teams because of this...

What a shame.

Anyway, you have nothing to blame on yourself, your tactics where great.


I'm not stupid, I don't hate Belgium and I don't love any other team. It was just tactic... it's a risk for me, for sure, but after thinking and thinking... I have to do it! Anyway, I could play even normal, but I will risk too much.

Second place is the aim for me and Cyprus, it's easy for a 57th team place? no! So I've to take so many risks!

I'm sorry for you, but it's the game. I've nothing against Joe Maverick, I just wanna say that, but I have a strategy and I will try to follow it.

Anyway, good luck to you too.

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124816.17 in reply to 124816.16
Date: 12/29/2009 9:22:31 AM
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I'm not stupid, I don't hate Belgium and I don't love any other team. It was just tactic... it's a risk for me, for sure, but after thinking and thinking... I have to do it! Anyway, I could play even normal, but I will risk too much.

Second place is the aim for me and Cyprus, it's easy for a 57th team place? no! So I've to take so many risks!

I'm sorry for you, but it's the game. I've nothing against Joe Maverick, I just wanna say that, but I have a strategy and I will try to follow it.

Anyway, good luck to you too.

If that is the way you figured out it has to be to try to get in second position, then that indeed is what you must do.

It realy would surprise me if it would work though...

Okay you got the win. But to finish somewhere high, one needs to plan ahead, and not just go win by win. I might be wrong, but I would bet money on it that you now will not be able to claim the spot you where aiming for.

I'm not upset about our loss, don't get me wrong.
It's compareable to the cup-runs imo: a team that crunches to get 1 round further, and then almost being sure to get kicked out is frustrating me. I don't mind loosing, if then the team indeed has a shot at advancing further or even at winning the title.
But it's overly frustrating that some other team, that doesn't deserve the title gets it, because some other team played kamikaze on the better team the week before.
Luckely BB has created the PO-tactics for that, to at least prevent teams from loosing their enthousiasm if they crunch. And then, I don't mind teams crunching, since it will not hurt themselves.

For the NTs however, I think this crunch will hurt your team so bad for the following games, that it is frustrating to me...

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124816.18 in reply to 124816.15
Date: 12/29/2009 9:26:06 AM
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I think too. They play their next two games against Danmark and England and I think they will lose two times (or maybe it's better to play crunch with an enthusiasm of 1 that play TIE with an enthusiasm of 8) and they will also lose against Germany.


i am not sure. i am sure that they'll go TIE against germany, but i expect them to Crunch on one of the 2, and go TIE on the other one. if they can get a second win in their upcoming 3 games (so that would mean a win against england or a win against Danmark) then they will have a decent shot at the 2nd spot. remember that they'll got an 'easy' end. the Cypriotic coach took a gamble, and it paid off for them by winning against us. now all will depend on their games against Danmark and England. will those countries make the same error? if so, then Cyprus will have a decent shot at getting hold of that second spot. if both Danmark and England do repeat our mistakes, and win their games, then it is as LoD said. then they threw away their chance of getting anything, and put us in a much difficulter spot (possibly ruined our chances at qualification)

it's just as Joe wrote earlier: this seems like a trap, just like the game against Marokko. the only difference here, is that we aren't the underdog anymore. we were the sub-favorites, and we'll have to work really hard and grind out our opponents if we want to have that second spot. we knew in advance, that is was going to be a though road. with this loss, the road just got a bitt more bumpier. now we'll have to prove, that we can overcome though situations.


Now we have to win every game, and especially the next one against Georgia. Another crunch against us?


we'll this statement is true if it you don't want to depend on results of the other teams. in reality, it will probably be decided on the goaldifference. the chances that others will slip somewhere are quite big. i think it would be more logical their we 2 teams with each 5 wins and 2 losses (presuming that Germany will win all their matches ofcourse). i wouldn't excluded a scenario where their are 3 teams with 4 wins and 3 losses either. we got 3 teams who want that second position, and we got 2 outsiders ( Cyprus and georgia) who are likely to decided who will get that ticket.



We are in a special situation. We are not good enough to scare our opponents but we are good enough for that our opponents take many risks to win against us. Now I know what it is to be the theoretical second best team of a pool...


Cyprus was an eye-opener. we now all know very well what it means to be seen as the second best team. this monday, we'll need to prove that we still are a force to be reckoned with. losing next week monday, and then the chances of qualifying are reduced to 0.01% or so. winning it, will almost automatically mean the elimination of Georgia for the second position.

so let's overthink every possible scenario, and make sure that we get all the tactics right. no margin for error here. we all know that when Belgian teams are put into a difficult position, they have the 'annoying' reputation of pulling through. just think of the 2000 WC quarter finales of Belgium vs Brazil. we were really close of eliminating the Brazilians. the Brazilians only woke up after Wilmots 'goal'... let's just show what Belgium is made off. i'd even say, forget the first match, the real works starts here and now!

Rev

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124816.19 in reply to 124816.17
Date: 12/29/2009 9:44:16 AM
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Just a few things...

a) If I had 3 more players (2 in better conditions and 1 not injured) I would play NORMAL and won as well if you played TIE, but I hadn't.... so I can't risk and I had to play CT

b) Enthusiasm for NT it's a little bit different than team enthusiasm

c) Belgium is 10th of World Ranking, so the probable second team on this pool is Belgium... I say probably, because Danmark, England and Georgia too are better than my Cyprus team! If I lose the first game I would be out immediatly, now I've changed the balance of the pool and we have to see something different on W and L.

d) I study the calendar, that's why I've made this hard decision, because it's a risk for me too... "I won with Belgium and I'm second"... no way! That's not my thought, but to reach second place I've surely to pass over this victory against you and let's hope that "something will happen" in the next 3-4 matches for other teams :-)

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124816.20 in reply to 124816.18
Date: 12/29/2009 9:49:00 AM
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the Cypriotic coach took a gamble, and it paid off for them by winning against us.

I don't think it's the time already to be able to tell if it paid off. The crunch more or less made it so that winning the game would be expected.
It's what comes behind...
And that's what I try to explain all the way.

I don't mind the crunch, I don't mind they won, all I am worried about is that now they have shifted chances between teams.

If they indeed manage to win their games to come, in such a way that they end second, and that they hold enough enthousiasm to go on, I'll be the first to admid it was briliant play.

If however they have arranged to have a weaker team advance, or advance themselves in a weak condition, thus making it easier on yet some other team which eventually can hurt the better team in the end, I can only weep.

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