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129012.12 in reply to 129012.11
Date: 1/24/2010 9:12:20 PM
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2.03 cm is not that tall,i have a 2.08 PF with 10 in OD but he plays as a SF

and if I'm not wrong there are some very good SF tall enough to be PF with high OD




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129012.13 in reply to 129012.10
Date: 1/24/2010 9:32:14 PM
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actually I dont think the OD in your case is necessary because a pop will take 3 or 4 weeks,but the "ideal" PF in most people opinion need to have at least 6 in OD,thats why I said the" if you really want"

about the HN I dont think you should do the HN training but instead the DR and JS ( look at the training speed analysis topic to see what secondaries each training has)

I think that you can make a good ofensive PF and if you have a C with better OD you can trade they're defensive positions

and a world class for me is a NT player,because of your players height I think some other players born with the same inside skilsl with better secondaries and taller will have advantage in training,but he can be a star in a lot of Div.1 teams (like mine for example) if well trained


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129012.16 in reply to 129012.14
Date: 1/25/2010 12:40:14 AM
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2.03 cm is not that tall,i have a 2.08 PF with 10 in OD but he plays as a SF

and if I'm not wrong there are some very good SF tall enough to be PF with high OD

I didn't say it's not possible to train his OD. I said it's probably a waste of time, all things considered.

There's probably a reason why there isn't anyone on the transfer market with at least 8 in OD and 12+ in inside skills.


Firstly you tell the original poster exactly what he asked not to hear then you followed it up with a statement essentially telling everyone not to bother training guys over 6'8 in OD (or they'd be stupid too)

As for the above (in bold) - I would hazard a guess that if you've gone to the trouble to train such a player why on earth would you want to sell him?

But if there isnt such a player (cos its a waste of time to train) why are there guards with 12+ in outside skills and 8+ in Inside defence? Surely the ID training is a complete waste?

It is because of posts like yours that the transfer list does not evolve from the mono-skilled big men with no handling (oh but in your world they have JS which is nice).

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129012.18 in reply to 129012.14
Date: 1/25/2010 10:31:33 AM
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I didn't say it's not possible to train his OD. I said it's probably a waste of time, all things considered.

There's probably a reason why there isn't anyone on the transfer market with at least 8 in OD and 12+ in inside skills.


In the future I am not going to bother buying a PF with OD below respectable, so that tells you exactly what I think of such a player. I am actually thinking of switching to training PFs because people are like you and just don't bother to see the value of it.

Basically, if your PF has no outside d, you are relegating yourself to playing 3-2 zones in order to cover for his weakness. It is not just the outside shot that is worrysome here, but you are leaving yourself open to good passes and drives from your opponent's PF.

Quality PFs are already rare without comments like this. There are already enough C trainers in the world, we do not need more of them (a PF without OD, HD and PA might as well be a C in my opinion).


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129012.20 in reply to 129012.19
Date: 1/25/2010 12:17:41 PM
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Either that, or you're relegating yourself to living with an occasional jump shot made by opposing PFs.


With the right kind of outside offense (in other words: not run and gun) and a decent amount of flow, you are in for more than just the occasional jump shot by a PF.



Handling and Passing are not more helpful at PF than they are at C. And a PF with OD, Handling and Passing might as well be a SF.


Not really, because as people start to understand the implications of the new GE, high level SFs will need at least 12/12 passing/handling to be worth anything. I'm not looking for those levels on a PF, but lower than inept and you are asking for trouble.

Although, it is true that it all depends on the level of OD you are facing. So if I go up against your ideal PF, I can probably live with atrocious handling/passing. But if you go up against mine, with your atrocious handling and passing, I have found your weakest link.



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129012.21 in reply to 129012.19
Date: 1/25/2010 12:32:36 PM
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In my opinion and based on the few feedback the BBs give us I believe that even C should have secondaries

it goes like this for C-secondaries between 3-5 is good and for PF betwenn 6-8

I believe JS should be at least 5for c and 8 for PF

and a PF with outside skills cant be necessarily a SF, especially a really good one,the SF needs 10+ in the outside skills

what I must agree is that if you have a tall player with low PA and OD, maybe its not worth training,and just upgrade when you have the money for players with secondaries

just one more thing-if you're talking about a especific player its good to make it clear and not make stamtement that looks like a universal one

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