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156862.11 in reply to 156862.10
Date: 9/16/2010 9:18:29 AM
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I have some time ago suggested that the 5th place teams would always swap conferences for the following season. This would both make 5th place more interesting (either more desirable or even more hated depending on the current balance between Big 8 and Great 8) and introduce a new mechanism for refreshing the league without affecting the rivalries too severely. I think this type of change could help keep the leagues more competitive (balancing the level of teams between the conferences) than some sort of monetary awards.

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Date: 9/16/2010 12:05:51 PM
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IMHO currently the order of best positions to end a season are:

If your conference is stronger than the opposite:
1-2-6-3-4-7-5-8

If your conference is weaker:
1-2-6-3-4-5-7-8

If the 1st placed in your conference is far stronger than the other teams:
1-6-2-3-4-5-7-8
(my case; fortunately I've managed to assure 6th place in my conference losing some strategic games like this (22999647)and so I won't face much financial trouble during mid-season).

Swaping 5th places is a great suggestion.



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156862.13 in reply to 156862.12
Date: 9/16/2010 3:31:39 PM
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I think I agree, except I'd probably never want 7th place, even against a weaker 6th place team in the other conference. Winning on the road, dumb luck, injuries... too much risk, too much income the following season at stake to give up for just one extra game of training and 2 or 3 games of shared ticket revenue. I'd also rather have 2nd place in all instances than 6th since that spot still gets 2 playoff games (assuming a home win) and a better Fan Survey rating that carries into the following season than 6th would have.

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156862.14 in reply to 156862.13
Date: 9/16/2010 6:21:33 PM
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If you are really much more stronger than your adversary,risking something you can do 3 playouts game,and if you are 6th you have 2 home incomes

Surely,if you can be 2nd in your league is better,but if your team can't go beyond the 4th place with no chance to beat the first 6th and sometimes 7th became more attractive

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156862.15 in reply to 156862.13
Date: 9/16/2010 6:36:28 PM
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Since I am mentioned here in this thread and I am one of the two team who didnt set a lineup in this game I will add my 2 cents. I opened a very similar thread about this problem a few weeks ago. If you are interested... have a look at it ((154889.1)).

The conclusion I found the best, is to cut the salarys during the off-season. As long as you have a competetive games during a week you have to pay full salarys. If you dont have any competetive games you pay half the salarys to your players. At least in my case this would change my priority list from 1->2->6->7->3->4->5->8 to 1->2->3->4->5->6->7->8. I dont know if this is the case for other players but for me this seems to be a reasonable solution to this problem.

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156862.16 in reply to 156862.15
Date: 9/17/2010 2:27:59 AM
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you should all read this.

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156862.17 in reply to 156862.16
Date: 9/17/2010 10:40:46 AM
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you should all read this.

Basically Charles didn't say that 5th place is better than 6th,also him said that if you are sure to be stronger than your adevrsary and to win in game 3 the playout series is economically better to arrive in 5th position

Surely there's a risk,but if you are sure to be not relegated,you are better staying in 6th than in 5th place

Last edited by Steve Karenn at 9/17/2010 10:46:21 AM

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156862.18 in reply to 156862.17
Date: 9/17/2010 11:45:01 AM
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Surely there's a risk,but if you are sure to be not relegated,you are better staying in 6th than in 5th place

I think he was saying you need to be more than 92-95% sure. I have seen so many people whine about much more even games where they perhaps had a 55-75% chance of winning that I tend to agree with Charles here. There are probably many more people who think they are that much better than their opponent than who really are. Of course, that doesn't make people perceive things any different. I'm not sure if a real problem is any worse in this case than a perceived but perhaps non-existent problem.

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156862.19 in reply to 156862.18
Date: 9/17/2010 11:58:39 AM
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Surely there's a risk,but if you are sure to be not relegated,you are better staying in 6th than in 5th place

I think he was saying you need to be more than 92-95% sure. I have seen so many people whine about much more even games where they perhaps had a 55-75% chance of winning that I tend to agree with Charles here. There are probably many more people who think they are that much better than their opponent than who really are. Of course, that doesn't make people perceive things any different. I'm not sure if a real problem is any worse in this case than a perceived but perhaps non-existent problem.

The team that arrive in 6th poistion is not forcedly the 6th team in the league,but that position should be the result of short-time strategies that push a team below his real level.A team that have few chances to be promoted can sacrficie legaue games to make a longer run in the cup,or can lose game training very young players that he will not put on the field in the playouts game;A user that can't connect for a pair of weeks can have a strong drop in shape or can forget to make the line-ups and so losing the games to arrive in a higher position.At that point,is better to play 3 playout games than arrive in 5th place,and this is a pretty ridicoulos thing

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156862.20 in reply to 156862.18
Date: 9/17/2010 12:04:00 PM
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Surely there's a risk,but if you are sure to be not relegated,you are better staying in 6th than in 5th place

I think he was saying you need to be more than 92-95% sure. I have seen so many people whine about much more even games where they perhaps had a 55-75% chance of winning that I tend to agree with Charles here. There are probably many more people who think they are that much better than their opponent than who really are. Of course, that doesn't make people perceive things any different. I'm not sure if a real problem is any worse in this case than a perceived but perhaps non-existent problem.


but even in this case, you had to see that most leagues in buzzerbeater have no relegated teams because they are bottom divisions - and in this case you have 100%

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156862.21 in reply to 156862.20
Date: 9/17/2010 1:04:03 PM
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Sure, these mostly non-competitive leagues are different in this respect. In some small countries even some competitive teams may find themselves in such a situation. Without looking into it to back up my claim, I think Japan may fall into this category.

Last edited by GM-WallyOop at 9/17/2010 1:04:44 PM

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