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From: Rycka

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Date: 4/10/2011 10:21:15 AM
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You know that you will sell out your next game, are you worrying about something that you know won't happen ? :)


no. actually i think this can happen. i really like this game and it's logical most of the times. but this fan survey is really disturbing. i do keep track of it and i've never seen something like this before.

If you win your league, you will have 5 balls all season long for your last season's results.


i could question that. if i get 3 balls for performance this season, when i'm in finals, how can i be sure i will get 5 balls all next season?

From: Manouche

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Date: 4/10/2011 10:26:47 AM
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You will sell out, you wanna bet ? Attendance in PO takes into account your fans excitement for being there despite what the survey says.

You want to follow your survey too closely thinking it makes a huge difference and it's a common mistake IMHO.
Follow your attendance history and draw conclusions from that.

From: Rycka

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Date: 4/10/2011 10:30:47 AM
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yes, but again, it's really unreal that you say "oh, my team was great considering all circumstances, they finished third, i give them 4 out of 5" and when a team ends up in finals, you say "ah, they are not that good as they appear, 3 out of 5 for them" :D it's a joke. really :D that's not normal, everyone would call you a madman.

From: CrazyEye

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Date: 4/10/2011 10:39:35 AM
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you didn't ask the same fan, if you cook for 5 people and let then rate your meal you most likely get 5 different critics. maybe one say it was to hot, the other say i needed some extra spice. As it like there, some visitor say your team should mange to get the hc in the playoff, because they expected you to be a final team the other are more happy with the season.

From: Rycka

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Date: 4/10/2011 10:41:46 AM
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yes. but this was not only 5 fans. considering my attendance is over 9k almost all the time, you can't compare it with only 5? can you?

Last edited by Rycka at 4/10/2011 10:42:01 AM

From: CrazyEye

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Date: 4/10/2011 10:54:14 AM
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yes. but this was not only 5 fans. considering my attendance is over 9k almost all the time, you can't compare it with only 5? can you?


i considered you to read the text above the survey, so i haven't to quote it so often:

on a small sample of fans


it is a survey, and surveys vary especially with a small sample, if it comes to election you use 1000 surveys and normally have an accuracy around 3-4 per cents and they even try to look to get a representative contribution from participants(like 5 owners of a small enterprise, 600 people from cities, 400 from the country).
I don't know any club, who optimize the accuracy of the survey like this, and also the number of the participants is different(much smaller, like also write on the survey page) so you should expect a bigger in accuracy.

From: Manouche

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Date: 4/10/2011 11:00:29 AM
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It's a poll, it is not meant to reflect reality perfectly. Follow your attendance history, that's what is real.

Let's say I start a poll today : blonde or brunette ?
Next week, I will start the same poll again and might have a different result though blondes and brunettes would have barely changed in the meantime :)

From: Rycka

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Date: 4/10/2011 11:10:33 AM
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yes. but this is sport not blonde/brunette poll. nobody will like your team if they would like brunettes more than blondes and you have a team that's full of blondins. but that sounds absurd don't you think?

From: Rycka
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Date: 4/10/2011 11:12:00 AM
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and about reality, yes i do occiasonaly hate my favorite team, when they play in finals. what a stupid team :D

From: Manouche

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Date: 4/10/2011 11:45:42 AM
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You are missing the point again and again, Rycka.

The values you see in the survey are not the real values.

Your real value for 'performance this season' is 3.5. It refers to your RS performance ONLY. In the survey, it will 'float' between 3 and 4 simulating a poll where results are different from a sample to another but you forcefully resist to understand that :)
It works like this :
16 wins out of 22 RS games, 16/22 = 0.7272. It's rounded and translated to 3.5 balls (real value).
3.5 balls out of 5 : 3.5/5 = 0.7.
It's quite simple.

Your fans are ecstatic you have reached the finals. You will sell out your next game and the eventual 3rd game.
You may have noticed every team in PO gets a big attendance boost. You don't have any indication of this in the survey.

The variation you have seen after the last survey update is due to a sample variation and it is in no way linked to your last game. Your fans haven't lost interest, it's your mistaken understanding of the survey that makes you believe so.

From: Rycka

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Date: 4/11/2011 2:30:26 AM
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sorry, my mistake. never thought that this is based only on regular season.

so the suggestion should be, change "I am pleased with the team's performance this season" to "I am pleased with the team's performance in regular season this season"

Last edited by Rycka at 4/11/2011 2:33:54 AM

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