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I think you guys shouldn't take Wolph that literally; I think he's doing a good thing giving new players some advice. Now as with almost every advice that tries to change a view, it will be a bit exaggerated to prove a point. Don't take it too litererally, just try to get the point he's making, which is a good one; don't forget to train secondaries. He elaborates on that by giving more advice, that when training secondaries it's best to do it first, and then the primaries.

If everyone falls on the way he gives the advice, it will fall on deaf ears for others who read it and that could use the advice. Now I do agree that in general, good information/advice is hard to come by for new players. When I started I read the Guide to Buzzerbeater which was very helpful to get started, but it was only after I dug deeper in the help forums and played with the salary calculator when I started to understand how to play the game properly. The thing that puzzled me most is that searching the forums is a supporter-only function... Do we really need to advocate double posting the same questions over and over again as I imagine will happen?

So a suggestion; maybe a "Request mentor" button should be implemented, and experienced managers could volunteer to be a mentor and maybe get some kind of rewards for helping players through their first season (maybe add milestones for reaching the playoffs/finals, promoting, selling a player for X amount, building arena to certain stages etc). The requests will be redirected to mentors from the same country who then can accept it on first come first serve basis. That could really help new players, and give older players something extra to play for (coaching your new player and getting milestones/rewards for it would be worth it for me for example).

I'll post it in the suggestions forum if I get some good feedback here.

Training primary monsters is like growing an apple tree in your front yard, and buying apples from the grocery store. Any player you train should be unique in some way, whether its secondaries, or a specialization in one skill or another. Otherwise you are investing a lot of time into something that is easy to deal with for your opponents, and easily found elsewhere without spending the time on it.

Having said that, I think Wolph's being a little dramatic. There is no need to train a player for half his career out of position. 1-2 seasons at a young age should be enough to get the secondaries on any good trainee to a very good level.

The Training Simulator is a good tool for helping you figure out what training you want to do (if I do say so myself): (229484.1)

Yes and I agree with the points he's making, and I think new players could use that advice. You guys are all just falling for the way he says things, not what he actually means to say.

you are comparing guys with VERY good secondaries to guys with ONLY primaries. I think this is senseless because nobody who reads the forum is training only primaries.

rather you should compare a trainee (PF/C potential 7-8, height 6'8'' or sth, 5-6 seasons training, because i guess this is how the majority of trainees esp. for beginners looks like)

should he rather look like this:

12 / 8
10 /12
14/10
13/13
13/10

or like this

8 / 4
8 / 8
10 / 8
15 /15
15/ 10

well I guess my question isn't so smart, because in this case we compare a good C against a very efficient PF. but what i wanted to say is, that you have to find a good relation between secondaries and pimaries and not go over the top.

Last edited by jonte at 2/13/2013 4:52:19 AM

are you able to write a short message??

however people train their players by the way they think is most convenient.. if a person trains his player in a particular way you can't say him: "IF you aren't gonna play the funky lineup game to play guys out of position so they can train in secondary skills, don't train".

you are not the omniscient God of BB

Not to get on your case TOO much... but that post was rude, lacked insight, and was flat-out wrong. Perhaps look at the post, and it's information... rather than getting lost in who wrote it, and your opinions of them.

you are comparing guys with VERY good secondaries to guys with ONLY primaries. I think this is senseless because nobody who reads the forum is training only primaries.

Unfortunately, you are oh-so-wrong. People read the forums, and - quite obviously - people train players badly.
I agree with your premise on setting targets... but many, many people begin their training programs focusing wholly and solely on the primaries.
I know I did, I knew no better... I think many people new to the game might be in the same position as I was - eager, yet not knowing exactly what to do.

@Wolph. Ball for you.
Nice post, and I agree for the most part. My favourite player - you know him pretty well - was a reclamation project. Fortunately I got him before he was too busted up by someone creating a nigh on unemployable mega-center... and was able to pump his secondaries.
Training secondaries - perhaps not entirely - but heavily in their first few seasons is not only a viable training methodology, it's economically smart.

Last edited by malice at 2/13/2013 5:36:43 AM

there are people who care more about NTs than about their own team,actually theres a lot of those people.its not everything in profit...our former u-21 coach prolonged his promotion for a couple of seasons just to train,u understand where im going with this?
about players salary-half decent D3 team can pay those without problems.
about the staff,u can train well with lvl 4 coach who cost like 100k and have 10k salary.
and 1 more thing,if u are not training a player for your own team but for profit,get 3 trainees and train primarys only,after 2 seasons u can sell 2 main guys for 1M and 3rd guy for 500k minimum without any problems.