BuzzerBeater Forums

but people could do deals with other nations.
NT manager in country A gets a 10 managers to set up teams to train in country B
and then NT Manager of Country B gets 10 to do the same in country A

Those are some of the cons that could happen. People will always try to develop ways to get around a loop hole.

People who do not have supporter will contemplate now whether to pay that ~$40 for chance to start in a new country. This will bring in a bit more revenue for BB to help grow the game.

The question is whether I want to make a second team in a micro nation or a big nation like USA. I'll probably prefer USA over a micro nation. More competition, and more sense of achievement if I ever make it from div5 to div1.

I know, that is under the proposed rules, but we kind of moved on to without some of the caveats as they are either too restrictive or don't make a lot of sense. Clearly the above highlighted rule is to prevent farm teams, however I think would actually be one of the big selling points of being allowed a second team

If they did allow us to do that then I would definitely make a second team in a micronation. Dwell in div1 or div2 to hoard the cash whilst training some aussie trainees. 3mil for a top aussie trainee? No problem. 2mil for a level7 trainer? No problem. When the trainees salary jumps to 150k+? No problem I'll have enough revenue to cover the increased salaries.

Seems like flag chasing will be easier to achieve if a secondary team does come into effect. =P
Will you start a second team in Paskistan with a few other users in div1 or start one in USA with 2000 other users starting from the bottom in div5?

Country Users
#1 Pakistan 1
#2 Ghana 3
#3 Cymru 3
#4 Rep. Dominicana 4
#5 Barbados 5
#6 Ecuador 7
#7 Bahamas 7
#8 Tounes 7
#9 Việt Nam 7
#10 Saudi Arabia 8
#11 South Africa 8
#12 Costa Rica 8
#13 U.A.E. 9
#14 Azərbaycan 10
#15 Bolivia 10
#16 Hanguk 10
#17 Jamaica 10
#18 Malta 10
#19 Al Jazair 11
#20 Senegal 11
#21 Misr 11
#22 Lubnan 12
#23 Guatemala 12
#24 Hayastan 12
#25 Luxembourg 12
#26 Kazakhstan 13
#27 Macau 14
#28 Panama 14
#29 Ísland 15
#30 Paraguay 15
#31 Prathet Thai 16
#32 Puerto Rico 16
#33 Moldova 17
#34 Andorra 19
#35 Scotland 19
#36 Nigeria 21
#37 Al Maghrib
#38 Cyprus 24
#39 Shqipëria 26
#40 Nippon 26
#41 India 27
#42 Singapore 37
#43 New Zealand 43
#44 Ireland 48
#45 Colombia 52
#46 Perú 53
#47 Malaysia 61
#48 Crna Gora
#49 Norge 65
#50 México 67
#51 Österreich 70
#52 Iran 91
#53 Belarus 96
#54 Danmark 97
#55 Indonesia 98
#56 Makedonija 136
#57 Venezuela 139
#58 Sverige 149
#59 Chile 164
#60 Schweiz 172
#61 Sakartvelo 181
#62 Bulgaria 197
#63 Ukraina 203
#64 Nederland 205
#65 Slovensko 210
#66 England 240
#67 Uruguay 255
#68 România 260
#69 Česká Rep. 264
#70 Belgium 282
#71 Canada 285
#72 Taiwan 313
#73 Hrvatska 316
#74 Bosna i Hercegovina 320
#75 Slovenija 323
#76 Suomi 364
#77 Hong Kong 382
#78 Australia 385
#79 Latvija 436
#80 Rossiya 439
#81 Israel 478
#82 Brasil 516
#83 Philippines 569
#84 Argentina 697
#85 Eesti 701
#86 Portugal 738
#87 Magyarország 754
#88 Srbija 763
#89 Deutschland 772
#90 Türkiye 1 093
#91 Lietuva 1 379
#92 China 1 409
#93 Hellas 1 439
#94 France 1 797
#95 USA 1 987
#96 Polska 2 172
#97 España 2 645
#98 Italia 2 823
Total 30 804

Personally I'll probably start one in Wales (Cymru).

All i have to say is this.

If, back in season 11 or whenever it was i started playing this game, i found out after 4-5 weeks that, as a new user, I was battling in Div IV against Supporter user's '2nd teams'.... supporters who also have teams in the top leagues around the world, and have been playing the game for real life years longer than me.....

then there is
a) No way i would buy supporter
and
b) I would probably think "This is shite" and quit the game.

I remember when i started, finding out that I was playing against guys who had been around for 1 season more than me, made me feel crapola, challanging, and generally they buggered off, but i was a bit like 'hmmm well that sux' and it questioned why i would play the game.
so have a think about all the new users who will be starting, and playing against ur second team.

Well I think it's a great idea, the reason the micro nations are stuggling is because every time new players come on, they go "oh man it's all just bots" then they quit.

IF the active nations around the world can add to their nations active teams pool then it might make it more interesting for those people and they might stick around long enough for their tiny nations to build up at least a full league of active managers.

the restrictions on secondary teams seems to make it so having a primary team is of no benefit except you have prior knowledge of the game mechanics, that's really it.

I'm all for the idea and think it will be nothing but a good thing for BB in smaller nations.

I think if you look back through the history of just about every successful team here, sure they had good managers but they always had a lot of luck. Teams promoting when their opponents got injuries, used stupid tactics, went bot, teams that made a random killing on the TL, teams that were gifted an amazing player on their starting team or who drafted someone in the second round that they then sold for $5,000,000.

The best example ever was BC Tooroo. This team was the best team in the entire world. Won the B3 multiple tmes. When the manager moved to Brasil everyone assumed they would be back winning the B3 again in no time. The new team is called As Sucuris Comeram Torooo (32664) and despite playing in a smaller nation with just 500 active teams (in the ballpark of Australia) it took them from season 14-23 to make the top league. Then they went all out and finally won the Brazil National Tournament but only got four B3 wins. I am not saying this is bad, it is certainly better than I have done, but it is not like they just dominated their new nation from day one and they never even made the division one finals and are now back in division II.

Koop I like the idea of trying it out with the big boys. I would be joining you in the USA, just hope we don't end up in a division V with all supercompetitive teams run by experienced managers where we get stuck forever.

I'll love to end up in div5 with super competitive secondary teams. Cos I'll know we'll all be in the same boat. Whoever makes it out alive will then get to take it out on the locals in div4.

The farm team thing happens here - perhaps not with the organisation of other nations but I'm positive we have farm teams here in Australia.

i have read many interesting point of views here. but this one does highly a very valid con against secundairy teams

All i have to say is this.

If, back in season 11 or whenever it was i started playing this game, i found out after 4-5 weeks that, as a new user, I was battling in Div IV against Supporter user's '2nd teams'.... supporters who also have teams in the top leagues around the world, and have been playing the game for real life years longer than me.....

then there is
a) No way i would buy supporter
and
b) I would probably think "This is shite" and quit the game.

I remember when i started, finding out that I was playing against guys who had been around for 1 season more than me, made me feel crapola, challanging, and generally they buggered off, but i was a bit like 'hmmm well that sux' and it questioned why i would play the game.
so have a think about all the new users who will be starting, and playing against ur second team.

it's a very valid Con. However, just imagen the following: u got a former ABBL user, who has decided to tank a while, get some young talent under his belt through the draft, train them and then buy the players with the cash he saved from tanking.

If u are a novice manager, u'll still feel annoyed. Hence, u should consider tanking undermining the game in the same way, where as general opinion is that it's acceptable and some might even argue that it's a smart strategy... (now before this topic gets hijacked about tanking, i just wanted to show an simular example. futhermore, more often than not, teams take a risk during a season to promote, pushing their economies to the limit to maximalise the chance for promotion. If they then see a 4th place conference team suddenly spend 7M to ramp up for PO's, they are equally screwed and in several cases, do end up giving up on the game... many things are unfair in this game, so that con could apply to several things)

However, i would like to mention that the guy's using the second teams could help living things up, especially in quite communities. This in turn will help novice managers (even at a forum lvl of their division) learn new things and thus set them on the right direction to help them progress faster, instead of making all the newbies errors that they usually make.

futhermore, i'd also like to point out that the following rule:

2. Country restriction: Secondary teams cannot play in the same country nor buy players from the primary team's original country. To make sure some smaller countries aren't overwhelmed by the influx of new foreign teams, a minimum of 50% of the teams in a country will be reserved for local managers. Also, if a country is 90% full – the remaining teams will be reserved for local managers.

That means that the influx in smaller communities will still be restricted. Thus, such a con as mentioned above would most likely only occure in the larger communities, and not in the smaller communities.

each proposition has a pro and a con, but arguments can be made that the secundairy teams could help out the newbies and thus progress faster. (who would u contact? a guy in ur league who u know nothing off, or a guy who u know has the experience of the game, is playign high somewhere else and likely has some good pointers for u?)

just giving my thoughts about it.

ps: i know it's late, but i don't read all the fora all the time in foreign fora. just the ones i deem interesting and that are written in an understandable english ;)

yes you do make a good point and yes your english is fine! a few incorrect words here and there, but nothing that didnt mean i couldn't understand it!