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258807.11 in reply to 258807.10
Date: 5/14/2014 2:21:57 PM
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Really? I just learned something xDD Is there any place where you we can confirm that? Makes some sense but I'm not sure :S

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258807.12 in reply to 258807.11
Date: 5/14/2014 3:07:40 PM
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Just a Theory... more like a hunch.
It's hard to know, we need to much information.

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258807.13 in reply to 258807.11
Date: 5/15/2014 10:37:14 AM
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essentially its based around the training.

Handling training is the only other training which will also train OD.

Therefore I have always believed that Handling and OD are related in the game.

a bit like, how SB training also trains a little bit of ID. thats because they are related in the game engine. Same with Jumpshot and Jumprange. 1n1 for forwards trains driving, but also inside shot. and in the game, a forward with great driving and IS performs really well.

so i dont have any statistical proof for you, but I believe that the above concept is a fairly solid reasoning.


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258807.14 in reply to 258807.13
Date: 5/15/2014 6:16:08 PM
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Hmmm, makes sense. Thanks for your idea ;)

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258807.15 in reply to 258807.14
Date: 5/16/2014 2:46:43 PM
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Thanks for the reply "Cunning Linguists".
I believe all 3 of your suggestions to reaname the "jump range" skill makes absolute sense (at least to me)!

Now for stealing, as "sparky44" said above: Stealing goes into both inside and Outside defense.
A friend of mine in this game (i met him here) told me that it depends on the handling skill of the attacker too!
Maybe you guys are right and defender's handling has an impact too.
who knows?

maybe "sparky44" can enlighten us this time too...

From: Myles

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258807.16 in reply to 258807.15
Date: 5/16/2014 2:52:43 PM
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Well, I think that currently Handling means
Ball Handling and can effect the offensive TO.
I know this because when you train handling,
you don't train handling,
you train Ball Handling.
I do think that there is no skills needed to be implemented into this game.

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258807.17 in reply to 258807.16
Date: 5/16/2014 5:51:27 PM
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And maybe, just maybe... depending on the situation the steal is made by Defense (inside or outside) + Handling or Passing.
Passing for interceptions and Handling for "on ball stealing"... just don't know to say that.

Just Maybe...

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258807.19 in reply to 258807.18
Date: 5/18/2014 3:53:32 AM
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I think we need to be a bit careful about a few things. The discussion has led to a 'higher handling = more steals' topic, which is not quite right, so lets clear that up first.

The original OP was posing the question that the 'ability to steal the ball' is a hidden trait, and the discussion has moved to showing him that the Outside Defense skill and potentially other skills, result in more steal's. ie: Discussing that there probably is not a hidden 'ball-stealing' ability.

so firstly, in my opinion, OD + Handling results in a player with a better ability to defend outside which or may not result in more steals, but, in my opinion, result in a higher OD. (this could result in a variety of things, reduced driving, reduced outside shot % , reduced offensive flow and possibly, more steals. )
Again, i don't have any statistical proof of this, just anecdotal

Secondly, lets look at some facts.

the game manual DOES state what you said about handling. You know what it also states? It states
"Shot Blocking: Will help to block shots. Not very useful for perimeter players."

So it has been proven that higher SB does NOT always lead to higher number of blocked shots. this has been proven statistically in recent seasons and you can look at ur own team or my team or anyone elses team for examples of this. And there are many forum discussions about the fact that higher SB leads to better inside defensive presence/rating whatever you want to call it.

the game manual also states that:
"Outside Defense: A player with better perimeter defense will be more effective at defending against outside shots and pressuring ball handlers."

So the game manual states nothing about OD causing more steals. Ironically, this is what the OP was eluding to, this very fact, and for me, if the game manual is not stating very clearly that OD = more steals, then there is the possibility that it is a combination of other things OR, as the OP asked, a hidden trait.

Ive always believed handling contributed to higher OD.
This is my evidence as to why I believe Handling contributes to a better Outside D presence, which could possibly also lead to more steals.
a) Handling training will train the OD stat - fact
b) In real life, if you learn how to be a good ball handling, you are more likely to be able to defend someone else that can handle the ball well. Think if you didn't know how what a crossover was - Your ability to defend someone doing the crossover, is pretty much zero.
c) I have a player who Ive been playing at SF with the exact same OD as my previous SF. he defends much better (ie: Ratings and number of steals).. the difference? he has high handling. plus another 2-3 players which, over the course of many seasons, Ive seen noticeable difference. Not really a fact, but its just something Ive noticed.

In saying all this, I did a small study of box scores vs player stats during the last draft (sample pool was 50 players, results are here. [message= 257837.4]
The result was that there was no statistical correlation between number of steals and handling. However as ive said above, better outside defense doesn't necessarily result in more steals, it might just result in more loose ball turnovers, bad shot making, disruptive offensive flow etc etc.

with regards to your point on aggression rating, Ive never seen any evidence to suggest this, i would have thought that players with higher aggression foul more, so therefore there would be a high correlation between steals and those players with high foul rate. Do you know if this is true?

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258807.20 in reply to 258807.19
Date: 5/18/2014 7:43:29 AM
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Can't we have an answer from somebody who implemented the game or something? xD

From: pasadoros

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258807.21 in reply to 258807.20
Date: 5/18/2014 5:52:09 PM
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What is "aggression rating"???
Is this a skill also?
Maybe a hidden one?
Can you train it too?
I changed the language to english (just to be sure) but i cant find anywhere agression rating...

:/

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