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271221.11 in reply to 271221.9
Date: 6/29/2015 8:08:53 AM
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If you drop players from the NT roster, the NT takes an enthusiasm hit.

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271221.12 in reply to 271221.11
Date: 6/29/2015 12:51:57 PM
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If you drop players from the NT roster, the NT takes an enthusiasm hit.

Not if you do this before the seasons starts. Which was exactly the case.

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271221.13 in reply to 271221.10
Date: 6/29/2015 12:57:01 PM
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1) Why it is possible with this rule?
Because on the league of the NT manager there will be a very limited number of players that are NT legit.
This one time request is far from "painful".

2) When it happens here and there, it willl usually bother one person or two, and it will be hard to prove and harder for the community to find it wrong doing.

3) Moreover, during that period, the team that being "peeked" will have disadvantage.
Do you think that team will get good or bad feeling for the game due to that action?
Can it make them so bitter that they will leave the game?
Does the numbers (of users) allow us to neglect that?
And once again, it is NOT about a player of mine.

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271221.14 in reply to 271221.13
Date: 6/29/2015 1:00:49 PM
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I will add another option for hitting this issue.

When an NT manager peek your player, you are allowed to peek any player of his.
This will make him think twice instead of exploiting his role. All this without making his work "painful".

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271221.16 in reply to 271221.15
Date: 6/29/2015 1:33:19 PM
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1) In case the subjected player being peeked plays at ths same league as the manager of the NT-manager who is perorming that peek, than:
a) He just cannot.
b) He gives that opponent an option to peek on one of his player until the end of the first week of games.
or/and
c) This player could be peeked only as if the season as started - causing the NT an enthusiasm drop in case the player is not used.

In addition you can add a definition of NT-legit likelihood and verify whether it is likely that a player will be peeked before even allowing this peeking. With and Without relation to the stated below (and before).

2) We need to remember few things;
a) There are very few teams that has NT-legit players.
b) The number of teams that (a) applies for and in addition plays at the same league as the NT manager is even smaller.
c) It is not that often that a BB-team manager will avoid assisting an NT manager (when his player is NT-legit), as he loses money when his player is not used.
So the combining all of the three reduces the group of players and teams relevant to this limitation to a very minimum number.

3) These amount of players and managers could even be handled by the local GM.
The GM will receive amount of requests that had not been replied to, and will verify: "Is Legit?". If that player is he will allow the peek.

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271221.18 in reply to 271221.17
Date: 6/29/2015 3:29:13 PM
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First, there were few layers to the suggestment that you didn't relate at all.

Second, both sides get the same advantage, so no harm done.

Moreover, current status gives the same advantage that you described only to the NT-manager.
Which is bit unfair as it is. W/o relating to the topic of "exploiting peek on non NT-legit players".

If the NT-manager knows my (or his) best player (usually the NT players are the best player on a team. right?), so I think it is more than reasonable to give that manager the option to take a look as well.
That will even up the status between them.
Which is actually a rephrasement of what previously suggested.

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271221.19 in reply to 271221.14
Date: 6/29/2015 3:41:10 PM
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That sounds a bit sketch. I don't approve. Being a U21 NT manager for four seasons, About 1/4 of your team every season is consisting of managers who will not respond to you or communicate with you. I looked at probably 3-4 players from teams within my league during my time as the U21 NT coach, but did by no means abuse my rights as the NT coach in my opinion. It is crucial to track players of all ages for the U21 NT and NT and I personally think that although the 64k PF/C is a bit of a stretch for looking at a NT player, it is still viable and there should be nothing in place to prevent that. If you don't approve of this managers actions bring it up during the elections and see other people's thoughts on it. If it is frowned upon by the public then you won't have to deal with that manager anymore.

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271221.20 in reply to 271221.19
Date: 6/29/2015 4:18:29 PM
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I'll try to clear few things up, and maybe add a little bit more.
Please try to explain what you find wrong on each one of them.

1) Break-even rule - in case you see a player of a team from your league, let the other team peek on one of your players (with the closest salary, for example).

2) Is-Legit rule - Like in the case of that player, one should not be able, on any means, to peek on a player that cannot be NT-legit.
Who defines who is legit for a peek?
As you said, there are 3-4 players on your league that you have peeked. [And for some of them, you surely got an answer from their manager, as their manager gets money in case their player plays on the NT]
It is small amount for the GM(s) to decide per your request.

3) One damage is still a damage - Even if one team will be exploited, it is enough for handling this.
Waiting season and an half may be OK for you, but that manager may quit.
Not to say the damage it is causing indirectly to the league that NT-manager is playing at.
As one unfair win here and there may change (butterfly effect) the order on that league and much more.

4) U21 NT players are less scary on that sense.
As U21 NT might not be that important on that team.

On the other hand, having information on the best players - NT players - gives way too much advantage for the NT-manager.
Hence, the need to control that and having counter rules in favors of the non NT-manager' teams.

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271221.21 in reply to 271221.19
Date: 6/29/2015 4:45:44 PM
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The claim Pini פיני is doing is the same some managers have had with the Spanish NT. I think it's a legitimate claim even though I don´t personally care.
I think the managers should have the possibility to make their players not eligible for the NT, so the NT coach (and the staff, friends and the rest of the country) can't peek at them.

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