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271948.11 in reply to 271948.9
Date: 8/5/2015 1:21:21 AM
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I wont go into reasons why I would consider myself better than any other previous manager (Their history and results speak for themselves), all I will say is that based off the off site I would consider my ideal big men to differ a bit from most
You are coming off as very knowledgeable but very cocky. Phyr is doing a great job and we have 3 straight worlds finals appearance so what history are you talking about? We already have a pretty good training system besides no one wanting to train bigs. I don't a reason to change because we have 2 world gold medals and one sliver. This season we didn't have the true PG and our bigs didn't have as many big skills as they normal do. But despite the adversity we face this season we ended up with a sliver medal.

We play way different talent than NZ with the exception of when play in the Americas tournament. America is too big to control everyone's training like you can in micro nations. I'm not going to consider voting for you because you haven't put any input in game planning or train any american U21. Managing a micro nation is pretty different than managing a big country.

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271948.13 in reply to 271948.9
Date: 8/5/2015 3:06:17 AM
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You obviously haven't been following the offsite very closely if at all, as this is a constant discussion on each individual basis based on potential and the skill-sets that are presented. This is much more common among guards however, and I think simply getting more people involved with training bigs is more important than how we train them. I personally don't think we need to change much with our training methods, as we have shown that we can play diverse tactics (even in big games), and have 3 straight trips to the Worlds Finals. Heck, I think we might be the first U21 NT to ever win a Semifinal game playing Motion (Don't quote me, but it is certainly a rarity if there has been one or two others).

I would just like to say that this election should not be a close one, as everyone should be voting for Phyr. I would like to encourage you though to become more active on the offsite though and get involved with our U21 NT, so you can run again in the future, because you truly are a very experienced and qualified manager. With that being said, Phyr has dedicated so much time, effort, and his own players to the U21 NT and he deserves another term.

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271948.16 in reply to 271948.14
Date: 8/5/2015 7:29:59 AM
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No not a huge offsite user, I actually run for the job to give ppl an option over picking the offsite rep. I understand you guys have a solid group of 30 or so managers who will vote with your group decision, and it will most likely win in a landslide. However there is over 1000 managers, so the offsite community is very small.


Since you're not a fan of the off-site, and if you were to get elected, does that mean you wouldn't be using the off-site for game planning, roster decisions, and general scouting of the pipeline and training?

I have 1757 players for sale and I'm $25,835,360 in debt. Buy them at outrageous prices, or be selfish and make me go bankrupt. You decide, BB.
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271948.17 in reply to 271948.14
Date: 8/5/2015 8:20:09 AM
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My main concern with the offsite, and all the effort that goes into keeping databases, contacting mangers etc is that it still failed to produce some 70k+ monsters.


Producing those salary monsters, really does not benefit managers on the club level especially with all of those changes the last couple of seasons with GDP and the use of more tactics. I have a very difficult time asking a manager to basically waste their money. You are basically taking an MVP+ player (which unless you buy a prospect with no secondaries is going to cost you a bunch of money) and pairing them with a level 6/7 trainer (which is going to cost you a bunch of money) and just pumping primaries. After the U21 you get to sell your high salary monster with probably no secondaries for like 750k at huge net loss over the course of those four seasons because unless they are in DII and the NBBA they can no longer afford their salaries. If someone is really into U21 wants to fulfill their patriotic duty and create a player like that I am all for that, but I cannot in good conscience ask someone to to do that.

I also cannot throw our successfully NT program under the bus, and not have our best MVP/HOF players with great secondaries to train OD/PA early to keep them on the NT track.

If someone should be creating those salary monsters it should be the U21 coach. Right now my 20 year old Taishi Zunhui not only has the highest salary of any 20 year old in the pipeline but is also tied for the most big skill points. No one can accuse me of not putting my money where my mouths is ;)

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271948.18 in reply to 271948.12
Date: 8/5/2015 8:48:13 AM
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We won big games at worlds playing outside, neutral, and inside so our training regimen clearly allows us to play multiple tactics successfully. Inside is always going to be a main tactic for U21 especially because of the power of OD so I don't see whats wrong with asking owners to get to base level of 12 IS/12 ID/12 RB and then specialize the builds from there.

You only get 18 roster spots and figure you only get 7-8 of them to be bigs. I am totally ok with 1 maybe 2 at most being a special build but you need those interchangeable to be able to consistent run the tactics that your team excels at.

I also disagree with your GS comments. GS becomes even more of a concern if you rely on specialist builds. If your specialist isnt in GS, you can't run that tactic.

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271948.20 in reply to 271948.15
Date: 8/5/2015 8:49:03 AM
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PS: I see why you would consider this a positive, but I look at it and think "If we know that, then wtf would we even try using Motion"


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271948.21 in reply to 271948.20
Date: 8/5/2015 9:34:09 AM
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USA Offsite backed managers have made 5 straight Worlds final appearances in U21(3) and NT(2) and have won three Gold medals. No other country in recent memory can claim that. This is the Golden Age of American BuzzerBeater brought to you by the USA Offsite. Claims that we are not winning enough are laughable at best.

Offsite is not some secret Masonic order. Any American owner can register and participate.

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