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From: Phyr

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Offsite tool showed the prices of every single arena in a certain USA Division and the number of seats each team was able to fill at that price.

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I have had my Arena built for many seasons now; but lately I have been considering adding more Lower Tier Seats.

My question is, for those of you subscribing to this idea of larger Lower Tier Sections.... I already have 15,000 Bleacher seats...Do you believe that quantity of seats will interfere with having more Lower Tier Seats or is it worth for me to add them at this point?

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From: Phyr

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Do you believe that quantity of seats will interfere with having more Lower Tier Seats

Fans buy tickets at the highest price they possibility can afford so the number of bleachers shouldn't affect LT sales. If fans can afford a LT ticket, they will buy it. If they can't, those potential LT fans buy bleachers.

is it worth for me to add them at this point?

In the long run, I would probably say yes especially in DI. Of course seeing how hypercompetitive the NBBA is, I dont know if I would be doing alot of arena building unless I was tanking because of the cost of LTs.

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Everyone is overthinking it. Just build a 15k/10k arena and that's it.

It's really not that hard to build, even in large nations. I'm in my third Utopia season, and my arena is already large enough. I'm on 150k weekly profit in Div IV

From: Phyr

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Why 15k/10k?

From: Aleksandar

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Well, 10k bleachers is the maximum, and 15k is sell-able at maximum price with you're on a good run in DIV I

Theoretically, if you were winning championships, 17k/3k would be a best build. I don't remember Teradata from Pakistan attendances, but I think he was earning some 600k+ with a 18k/2k arena..

I'm really not sure about the exact numbers, but anyway, 5k bleachers cost only 1 million, which is really not much. You have random players selling for 1 million these days..

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From: Phyr

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I don't think building bleachers are the issue...its the 3.5 million you have to pay for 5k more LT when you go from 15k/5k to 15k/10k.

Maybe I am not getting something about building that many bleachers. Even if you set max prices for the bleachers, there are probably a lot of people in that 15k-17k bleacher section that could potentially afford a more expensive LT seat.

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I don't think building bleachers are the issue...its the 3.5 million you have to pay for 5k more LT when you go from 15k/5k to 15k/10k.

Maybe I am not getting something about building that many bleachers. Even if you set max prices for the bleachers, there are probably a lot of people in that 15k-17k bleacher section that could potentially afford a more expensive LT seat


I understand it's a widely accepted thing, but I just don't buy it. I watch separate sections separately.

Just do the math this way:

Let's say you have maximum success(Teradata Pakistan model, hypothetically achievable in other non bot countries)

You can sell 18k bleachers at 20, that's 360k

You sell 2k LT at 70, that's 140k

Now let's consider 13k/7k build, which is somewhat accepted as the ideal.

13k*20=260k

Now you need to sell 7k LT at 34 price? Is it achievable in top leagues?

Now cut back bleachers even more, consider 10k/10k build

10k bleachers * 20 = 200k

Now you need to sell 10k LT at 30 price?

The point is: yes, there are some in the bleacher section that would buy cheaper LT, but you are losing on LT section fans who are willing to pay high price for LT

This leads me to conclusion that the best arena build is: to build as much bleachers as you can sell them at 20(maximum price)

So maybe in div II you can earn the most with a 10k/10k arena, or having mild success in div I, you're best off having a 12k/8k, or 14k/7k,

but ultimately, the more bleachers you can sell at high price, the less lower tiers you need.

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Date: 8/21/2015 12:37:47 PM
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Yesterday I was having a look at the first home league game of B3 participants that also got to the league finals last season.
The team with more income I found was this:
15k/6k fay_stelaios: 268k+236k+89k+42k=635k
Followed by:
17k/4k Augustiner 75ers: 312k+188k+88k+42k=630k
Third was:
17k/3k Brutus Buckeye: 324k+175k+85k+36k=620k (could be 630k if the right prices in courtside seats and luxury boxes).

I found if you have a small LT you can sell as much as 17k bleachers at 20; if you have a lot of LT you can sell as low as 13k bleachers at 20.

I always wanted to believe that 13k/7k was the way to go, but every time I check the data I am not convinced. Maybe if your team is doing not so great is when a big LT is rewarded, but that is a lot more difficult to check. And I say that because of this line in the rules:
You will find that the people who want the most expensive seats will pay their money win or lose (but care a lot about ticket prices), while the less expensive seats are mostly filled by rabid fans who will show up when the team is winning but won't pay to see a losing team.


Anyway, I would like to ask you if you are thinking about expanding your arena and if "yes" why. We have exactly the same arena size.

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Anyway, I would like to ask you if you are thinking about expanding your arena and if "yes" why. We have exactly the same arena size.


Honestly, I didn't build my arena for economic purposes only. I just liked the numbers matching, and the realism factor for role-playing. It would be kind of stupid to have a 45k arena, and it's half empty every game :)

Another related thing is the unexplored impact of PR manager. I tried testing with a high level PR for a while, but didn't have steady results to get any data. But since bleachers are the most volatile seats, it seems logical that PR would influence them the most, so bleacher-heavy arenas could profit with a high-level PR?

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