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I agree 100% that he had the most impressive resume at the time. He trained Bowens who is one of the best and was active in conversations.

I guess my rampage was out of frustration to the fact that too many times it's one manager that many offsite users focus on.

But to talk about 'resume'....what defines a great resume and is that what is more important when in general many mangers contribute to discussion for game threads?

Also, once again, this is no shot a RamQ. I've always respected him and agree that he knows his stuff.

Too many times the offsite rallies behind just one manager and it really does screw us.

Uhh... when else have we been "screwed" over? I haven't been involved with the offsite for too long but I'm pretty sure the past 5 seasons have seen us getting Silver or Gold in Worlds. I think that's a good thing, whether you can claim it was the offsite's doing or not, which I don't think you alone can though it may be part of the equation.

On that matter, its actually a pretty stupid idea that the offsite, of which you're a part of so you know how it works, rallies together behind a single candidate every time. Let's not keep perpetuating this all controlling offsite or us vs. them mentality. Sure, on the offsite people may be more vocal about who they're voting for and even try to sway others but everyone makes their own decision. As long as I've been involved, I've never seen a message stating that everyone on the offsite needs to vote for a certain candidate and there'd be no mechanism to force people to follow it anyways. Let's take a look back for some more proof, shall we.

s31 - Ram beat you 38-19, while clearly decisive, it isn't as if you received 0 votes and everyone backed a single manager.
s27 - magiker edged you out, 33-23, don't think it'd look this way if the offsite rallied to back one manager.
s26 - EBW also beat you by a similar margin, 42-29.

s28,29,30,32 were all one-sided after the manager had a World Finals appearance so I just don't think your statements hold true. Let's not forget magiker and EBW went on two 3 World Golds and 1 World Silver so you can't say a wrong choice was made.

You say you're not but you sound like someone who is a little bitter, or you're trying to start your campaign early, if you ask me. I'm pretty sure you wouldn't be making a lot of these statements if you had won the previous election.

We all agree that RamQ being the manager these past seasons has been a disaster. And I admit to being one of the people who backed Ram. Don't know what has happened to him, I'd assume real life, but that does mean there could've been better choices. We know that now but at the time, I for one only knew he had been one of the most active managers as we chatted regularly, managed well to get to the NBBA, participated in NT game planning and trained Bowens, which does give him the best resume in my book as well. (And in regards to your resume comment, everyone can contribute to game planning but that doesn't make everyone's input as valuable.) I too would've taken back my vote for him but as Phyr said, hindsight is 20/20, all we can do is hope to have a well qualified manager for the upcoming seasons. Can we please stop this talk about the offsite dictating things... everyone can get involved, everyone has an opinion.

This isn't an us vs them mentality. Discussions on the offsite are one thing, but it is when certain individuals purposely state who they are voting for on the ON SITE. Do you believe this doesn't effect who the others vote for?

And I'm note trying to give the offsite a bad name. As you said, I am part of it and have been on for awhile. My thoughts are mine, your thoughts are yours, and everyone else's thoughts are their.

As for the voting, the last few elections in particular have been when I have seen it most, the more well known managers stating on site to get others to rally behind a certain manager. Is it legal? Yes. Is it smart? Maybe. But it is what can lead to this outcome. So all of those other elections I didn't have a problem with any of it because I didn't see anyone do that.

In all seriousness though...I'm just completely irate over the situation. I could care less if I got 5th place in that vote and Knowledge or someone else won. Just as long as we are competing. Heck, even if RamQ was active I would be happy. Just this.....I can't accept this. Like I said, love me or hate me, all I want to do is win.

More exposure for the off-site😎. All exposure is good exposure lol. I voted for you smallfrie :) hopefully you, knowledge or EBW run for NT. I do think people stating who they are voting for affected the results. A lot of managers look up to some of the experience managers so they side with them. People still do make their own decisions but it is what it is. Hopefully the next NT coach can get us going in the right direction again. Maybe we need to start asking commitment questions so this doesn't happen again. The USA NT is just irrelevant for two seasons so be it. Nothing we can do now about it. Let's hope this make us better and we learn from this.

Oh The Enlightenment.

Do they know how to win at the highest level? They need to know their tactics especially in the GDP era.

Do they know how to train in the most efficient way possible? Do they know how to design player builds to play multiple tactics successfully? Do they have experience training top level players? Can they effectively communicate all of that to managers in in our prospect pipeline?

Do they have the work ethic and know how for the huge responsibility of maintaining and scouting all of the 22+ players in the pipeline as well as the oppositional research needed to be successful? No database makes this difficult.

I don't think that the manager has to be from the offsite either if they meet those characteristics. I hope everyone is voting for the best manager possible not just because said candidate is from the offsite. I hope those people that voted for me did so because I was the best choice for U21 not just because I am from the offsite.

With that being said, I think the offsite needs to be as inclusive as possible. The purpose of the offsite is to help the NT/U21 managers run the program, not for the offsite to run the program and excluded everyone else.

Isaiah is definitely right. The offsite community will support one candidate so much that no one else has a chance to win the election.

You realize how ridiculous this sounds, right? "So many people vote for one candidate that no one else has a chance to win the election." This how elections work - candidates win by getting a vote from a lot of different people. Maybe I'm reading too much into this, but is your criticism that offsite members don't think for themselves, and just blindly vote for whoever others think is the best candidate?

There are over 1400 American teams. RamQ got 38 votes. To say that no one else had a chance to win the election is ridiculous, when less than 3% of eligible voters voted for him. It's not the offsite community's fault that the other candidates couldn't get 38 votes.

As for the voting, the last few elections in particular have been when I have seen it most, the more well known managers stating on site to get others to rally behind a certain manager. Is it legal? Yes. Is it smart? Maybe. But it is what can lead to this outcome. In all seriousness though...I'm just completely irate over the situation.

Understand you're upset, but your criticism is really unfounded. I mean, you just said:

I agree 100% that he had the most impressive resume at the time. He trained Bowens who is one of the best and was active in conversations.

So you agree RamQ was the best candidate at the time. He was elected. This is typically a good thing. Yet now that it didn't work out, you're criticizing the process of electing the best candidate because it lead to something bad.

This term didn't work out. 38 of us, myself included, made the wrong choice. But I don't understand why you're criticizing "more well known managers" for this. What should they have done differently?

I will say that the whole idea of having people write comments in debated forums like "Vote for manger X, we is the best, no one else even comes close" is quite frustrating to be on the other-side of, but its a standard election tactic.

Agree, but I don't think this really contributes much (which is why I haven't done it). People can think for themselves.

Either 80% of the managers who vote for NT elections are active offsite managers or else they back the offsite nominee blindly based off the past success the offsite has delivered. Either way your relationship with that community will be a huge factor in any USA election

There is no "offsite nominee." You were a part of the offsite for the previous NT election, so please show me where this "offsite nominee" was discussed. Thanks.

Hey Magiker, thanks for chiming in.

I've cooled off a little bit on the situation but still a little irritated.

I think my main beef with the situation was the fact that RamQ was persuaded into running. This to me just means that he didn't originally want to do it but did to make others happy. And the outcome, as we can see, wasn't the best.

I agree 100% that he was the best candidate on paper. He was active on discussion when I myself wasn't. He has been a long time member of the community and manager on BB, which was more than Knowledge. He had us beat on those aspects. But it still goes back to being persuaded. Why did this happen? Why, when there are others willing to do everything they can for the NT, did others persuade another manager to run instead?

In the end I just hope this doesn't happen again. If there were brand new D.V managers running and nobody else then I can see the argument. But that wasn't the situation.

Also, I just want it to be known that I voted for RamQ as well because I knew he was a great manager. So I was one of those that made the wrong vote too. But after all that has happened, I will not be voting again for a manager that has to be talked into running.

Last edited by Isaiah at 8/26/2015 10:30:03 AM