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Scrap what I originally posted here. I forgot how I analysed the numbers and this reasoning was incorrect.

Last edited by Lemonshine at 5/9/2018 7:16:55 AM

But then you need to ask yourself if you understood the OP correctly. I'm sure he's not talking as a D4 manager.

It makes no sense whatsoever from a salary efficiency perspective to have 5 players with 14-15 PA in D4. It probably doesn't make sense in D2 either. I have 5 players with at least 13 PA and 9 with at least 10 PA out of 12 players on the roster (of the 3 who are below that level, one is a scrub to mop up minutes and another is the star player) and I don't consider myself lacking in that department.

I think having 14-15+ PA across the board can really only be done in D1, however the results would apply to any lower league scaled back accordingly.

Last edited by Lemonshine at 5/9/2018 12:45:29 PM

Yes it's from the data I used some time ago.

The shooting efficiency is very different. If you take out the fouls, guarded shots are much worse than assisted shots. There is a huge component of shooting efficiency on guarded shots that comes from shooting fouls.

PA will definitely increase the amount of assisted shots, the question is how much? Shooting will also increase shooting efficiency outright, the question is by how much?

The issue you are trying to assess is: how much are marginal points in PA worth compared to marginal points in shooting and what is their cost? If you go from 13 to 14 PA, how many more assisted shots will you get and how much will it cost you in terms of salary? Conversely if you go from 16JS to 17JS or 13JR to 14JR or 16IS to 17 IS how will that impact your shooting efficiency and how much will it cost you?

Salary wise I'm pretty sure adding PA is cheaper. Efficiency-wise I'm not sure, especially for big men. I had a big man who had 1DR 1HA and 6PA, he was been super efficient for me as a C in D1 and he had more assist than turnovers. If he had 12 PA would he be shooting as much? Probably not.

Because inside shots are more efficient, logic would dictate that you put PA on the players you don't want to take the shots or that will take more inefficient shots. This is usually the guards and that's the way most people play this game. If you have elite guards like those 2 Aleksandar bought several seasons ago, then you may try to push PA on the other positions in order to get them more assisted attempts. However, whether this will work and what the cost of this would be I'm not sure. I know that those 2 had at least 76 JS/JR between them and very very high salary though (around 200k), so the price for this strategy is not low.

Also at this point I am curious about if there are teams that made more than 11 in the team ratings for the flow.

I think this is pretty hard to achieve. I just ran trough some games from the top NT level.

(45833) 10.0 flow Lithuania
(45775) 9.3 flow Portugal
(45776) 9.6 flow Lithuania

These three games are from last seasons semi finals and final (euro championship).

And from season 40 (world championship).

(44588) Spain vs. China and both are under 10.0
(44543) Spain vs. Taiwan and both are at 9.6

We have here three of the best NTs with the flow stays still under 10.0.


In my point of view, you can only achive a high 10 flow, if you have PA on all five players:
(46321) my swedish team had a 10.3 and Austria a 10.0.
I think it is possible to push the flow rating even higher, because Sweden didn't play with the best possible "flow line up". A player was injured and another one still gets PA training.


I have one last point. (99545969) that's the BBB final of two seasons ago. The flow is a 10.3. What makes it really interesting is that Tehran played Princeton. And according to an old BB post, Princeton is the tactic, which relies the most on PA and flow. And even here, a flow of 11 wasn't reached.

You can get 11 in NT games, I'm pretty sure I've seen it before. Imagine that 1-5 PA is like this: 18-16-14-14-12. Top tier NT play PFs at C, 140+ TSP monsters who are well rounded.

You can get 11 in NT games, I'm pretty sure I've seen it before.

Yes, it is possible. Just hard to achieve. The US team had two such games last season and one this season:
(45773)
(45457)
(46623)

Non of these three was a blowout. All the US starters played at least 33 minutes. A blowout would decrease the ratings if you don't have the same quality on the bench. Let's assume the US has also strong PA players in the second row, so that would be a benefit for high flow ratings.