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Date: 10/17/2023 7:23:37 PM
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I was a bit unsure on the ID first, since many are apologists of getting as much pops as possible due to % being higher thanks to gym and yt, so I always doubted if it was effective to do ID first and sacrifice some TSP in the beggining, but your experience certainly will make me try your method instead, thank you!

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Date: 10/18/2023 3:43:35 PM
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I personally like ID on the shorter players, definitely could go 1v1 /OD too, but right now on my SF trainee in utopia I've finally switched to 1v1 and I have his ID already at a pretty high level.

Training ID first means that now you won't have to do it as much when he gets older, so I'm a big fan of ID, then 1v1, OD, and then back to ID again if you so desire.


I am training 3 SF that are now 135 tsp with 25y.
my plan was
1vs1
IS
OD/ID using all the elastic i created with high HN and IS and alternate to maintan the salary low
and 1 pas a season from 22y

It is clear they had no defenses untill 21/22 years, but in 2 seasons they reached good levels

I am curious to know, why training ID first is better. Only to be a bit more competitive when he is young?
I guess the way I did maximise the elastic effect
Please share your reasons


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Date: 10/18/2023 8:30:15 PM
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My personal guess for ID is it allows for it to be trained much much faster in early ages instead of older ages for not so tall players (208cm max).

With ID out of the way, and 1v1F training quite fast, plus the elastic effect from handling being quite high for OD, it can give you an edge over doing ID later. I guess it depends mostly on the height as well. ID first would be more beneficial for a player who is 198cm, and ID later would be more beneficial for a player who is 208cm.

But your plan seems to have yielded amazing results, so congratulations for that and good luck on your cup!


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Date: 10/24/2023 5:23:11 PM
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Yeah I'm sure someone could sit down and do the math based on training estimates people have come up with, but I see both ways having benefits.

ID first benefits are:
1. Less weeks you have to train your SF at C which can be difficult
2. ID gives a strong elastic to IS which can be nice to set up early
3. ID early will make your trainee a more viable defender throughout their training

1v1 first (and ID later down the road)
1. Maximum extra pops from youth trainer
2. Set up strong elastics early on
3. IS can even be a small elastic for training ID later
4. Might be faster overall due to maximizing YT extra pops

So I think both are viable and like you said, it might depend on the player's height for what you decide to do.

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Yeah I'm sure someone could sit down and do the math based on training estimates people have come up with, but I see both ways having benefits.

ID first benefits are:
1. Less weeks you have to train your SF at C which can be difficult
2. ID gives a strong elastic to IS which can be nice to set up early
3. ID early will make your trainee a more viable defender throughout their training

1v1 first (and ID later down the road)
1. Maximum extra pops from youth trainer
2. Set up strong elastics early on
3. IS can even be a small elastic for training ID later
4. Might be faster overall due to maximizing YT extra pops

So I think both are viable and like you said, it might depend on the player's height for what you decide to do.


Training ID first until what level? ID 15/16 or lower and you will train again ID later?

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Rest of ID pops you can get thru OD cross training

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Date: 11/2/2023 1:23:38 AM
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What about having a pure defensive player? OD/ID/SB lvl 17 and having at the same time low salary. In this case how do you think is better to train? I think we should avoid 1vs1 he just need to defend not to take shots

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Date: 11/4/2023 6:48:19 AM
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What about having a pure defensive player? OD/ID/SB lvl 17 and having at the same time low salary. In this case how do you think is better to train? I think we should avoid 1vs1 he just need to defend not to take shots

Almost no ID training for such guys. If you take a look at my utopia team, you will see four players, who are trained as bigs.
War had SB and RB training. I used ID training only once per season to close out the season.
Kim and Wolf had so many ups in ID during their SB training, I used ID training only to get an extra up at the end of the season. After the guard training, I will finish RB and get the last ID ups.
If you start with ID, you will lose time for the other skills. I train always SB>RB>ID. And ID only if I know, the player will get the up with this one week of ID training.

My first team has a latvian player. I bought him with a lot of IS, but no SB and low ID. This season he received SB training and both skills went up. For every 2,5 ups in SB he got 1 up in ID.

Last edited by Nachtmahr at 11/4/2023 6:49:27 AM

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Danke. And when do you train OD? Should be good 1 week OD and then 1 week SB and so on?

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Date: 11/5/2023 6:38:16 AM
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Danke. And when do you train OD? Should be good 1 week OD and then 1 week SB and so on?

I will train OD next season. The guys are at 90% finished inside, they can compete and hold their ground. Wirh the switch on defense, I can set the line up as I need it.
I will take a lot of time wirh their height, but the will perform already.

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